What is the definite definition of strength?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the ambiguity of the term "strength" in materials science, particularly in the context of mechanical engineering. Participants explore its various interpretations, such as yield strength, ultimate strength, and other forms of strength, and how these relate to materials like titanium and steel.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that "strength" can refer to different types of strength, including yield strength, ultimate strength, shear strength, and fatigue strength, leading to confusion.
  • One participant suggests that in everyday usage, "strength" may correspond to the ultimate strength as indicated on the engineering stress-strain diagram.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of qualifiers like "yield" or "ultimate" when discussing strength to avoid ambiguity.
  • It is mentioned that while titanium's yield strength may not be impressive, certain alloys can significantly enhance its yield strength to weight ratio, making it advantageous in specific applications.
  • Participants discuss that ultimate strength is typically not used for design purposes due to the permanent damage incurred once yield strength is exceeded.
  • There is a comparison of titanium's properties to those of steel and aluminum, highlighting that properly designed titanium components can be lighter while maintaining or exceeding strength.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that "strength" is an ambiguous term that requires clarification, but there is no consensus on a singular definition or usage. Multiple competing views regarding the interpretation of strength remain present.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the specific definition of strength in different contexts, and there are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about material properties and their applications.

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I have access to definite definition to terminology like stress(Pa), strain(dimensionless), ultimate strength(Pa), yield strength(Pa), etc. But I often get confused when someone just write "strength".

I give an example. Consider the following sentence:

"Titanium has high strength and high stiffness."

What is the strength referring here? Is it a measurable variable, or a qualitative description? If it is measurable, what is its unit, and in a typical stress-strain graph of a ductile material, where is this variable located?
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You're not alone in being confused. The word "strength" alone is ambiguous; it could refer to the yield strength in uniaxial tension, the ultimate strength in uniaxial tension, the shear strength, the fatigue strength, etc.

As an everyday (non-precise) term, it probably corresponds to the highest point on the engineering stress-strain diagram (not marked on yours), also known as the "ultimate strength," the point where a metal will begin to neck.
 
scoutfai said:
I have access to definite definition to terminology like stress(Pa), strain(dimensionless), ultimate strength(Pa), yield strength(Pa), etc. But I often get confused when someone just write "strength".

I give an example. Consider the following sentence:

"Titanium has high strength and high stiffness."

What is the strength referring here? Is it a measurable variable, or a qualitative description? If it is measurable, what is its unit, and in a typical stress-strain graph of a ductile material, where is this variable located?
stress-strain-curve.gif

Used in that context the word strength generally means the material strength. So if you were to compare Titanium to Steel, you would see a higher overall strength (both yield and ultimate) for Titanium.

But like Mapes said...it's important to clearly define what one is referring to by using a qualifier like yield or ultimate...

CS
 
As a general rule, in the context of Mechanical Engineering a material's "strength" is it's yield strength or fatigue strength. Ultimate strength might be used for worst-case failure analyses but usually isn't used for design purposes because once the yield strength is passed the part has been permanenetly damaged. If a part is designed to fail at a certain time or in a specific location, then ultimate strength would be used.

The statement "Titanium has high strength and high stiffness" is most likely referring to Titanium's yield strength and elastic modulus. As a general rule Titanium's yield strength is not all that impressive, but when alloyed properly (such as Ti 6AL-4V) it's yield strength gets very high, and more importantly it's yield strength to weight (density) ratio goes through the roof.

Overall Titanium's elastic modulus (stiffness) is only slightly higher than aluminum and lower than steel, but Ti is also half the density of steel and specific alloys have a yield strength that can surpass high alloy steels, far beyond anything Aluminum is capable of. So parts properly designed with high strength alloys of Titanium can be around 50%-75% lighter than steel componnets while being as strong or stronger (based on yield strength), and far stonger than Aluminum alloy components.
 
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Thank you to Mech_Engineer, stewartcs, & Mapes. Yours explanations are indeed very helpful in clarifying my confusion.
 

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