What is the derivative of ln(x^2 + y^2)?

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the derivative of the function y = ln(x^2 + y^2) with respect to x, specifically focusing on the application of implicit differentiation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the necessity of differentiating y on the right-hand side when applying the derivative to the entire equation. There is a focus on the implications of having dy/dx on both sides of the equation and the confusion surrounding the cancellation of terms.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with some participants providing guidance on the need for implicit differentiation. There is recognition of the complexity introduced by having dy/dx appear multiple times in the equation, and attempts to clarify the steps involved are being made.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the challenge of implicit differentiation and the specific steps required to isolate dy/dx. There is mention of differing answers from a textbook, which adds to the discussion's complexity.

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Homework Statement


Find y'

y=ln(x^2 + y^2)

Homework Equations


d/dx ln(u)= 1/u du/dx

The Attempt at a Solution



y' = [1/(x^2 + y^2)] (2x + 2y)
y' = (2x+2y)/(x^2 + y^2)

But my book says the answer is 2x/(x^2 + y^2 - 2y)

How can that be?
 
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You need to be differentiating the y on the right hand side of the equation when you take the derivative of the entire equation.
 
Are you saying my first step should be:
dy/dx = (1/x^2 + y^2) [2x+2y(dy/dx)]
 
yes

this problem must be solved by implicit differentiation
 
I don't understand what the 2nd step would be though. So I have dy/dx on both sides, but isn't dy/dx what I want to solve for? Wouldn't they cancel each other out?
 
No, they won't cancel because one is multiplied by [itex][2y/(x^2+ y^2)][/itex]
(Please, don't write [itex]1/x^2+ y^2[/itex]! That's a completely different value).

Solve your equation for dy/dx.
 

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