What is the difference between E(Y|X) and E(Y|X=x) in linear regression models?

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The discussion revolves around the differences between E(Y|X) and E(Y|X=x) in the context of linear regression models. Participants explore the implications of treating the independent variable X as either random or fixed, and how this affects the interpretation of expected values in regression analysis.

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  • Some participants explain that in regression models, X can be independent (fixed) or random, with examples illustrating when X is treated as each.
  • It is noted that E(Y|X) represents the expected value of Y given a random X, while E(Y|X=x) represents the expected value of Y given a specific fixed value of X.
  • Participants question the consistency of using E(Y) as shorthand for both E(Y|X) when X is random and E(Y|x) when X is fixed, raising concerns about the implications of independence between X and Y.
  • Examples are provided to clarify the contexts in which X is considered fixed or random, particularly in relation to measuring height versus age.
  • There is a discussion about the definitions of E(Y) and E(Y|X), with some participants expressing confusion over their apparent equivalence in certain contexts.
  • One participant references a source that claims E[Y] equals E[Y|X] whenever X equals x, suggesting a potential consensus on this point, but it remains a topic of debate.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of treating X as fixed or random, and whether E(Y) and E(Y|X) can be considered equivalent. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing interpretations present.

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Limitations include potential misunderstandings of the definitions of E(Y) and E(Y|X), as well as the conditions under which X is considered fixed or random. The discussion does not resolve these ambiguities.

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1) "In regression models, there are two types of variables:
X = independent variable
Y = dependent variable
Y is modeled as random.
X is sometimes modeled as random and sometimes it has fixed value for each observation."


I don't understand the meaning of the last line. When is X random? When is X fixed? Can anyone illustrate each case with a quick example?


2) "Simple linear regression model: Y = β0 + β1X + ε
If X is random, E(Y|X) = β0 + β1X
If X is fixed, E(Y|X=x) = β0 + β1x"


Now what's the difference between E(Y|X) and E(Y|X=x)? The above is suuposed to be dealing with 2 separate cases (X random and X fixed), but I don't see any difference...
Most of the time, I am seeing E(Y) = β0 + β1X instead, how come? This is inconsistent with the above. E(Y) is not the same as E(Y|X=x) and I don't think they can ever be equal.

Thanks for explaining!
 
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In many cases the question whether X is random is theoretical. A clear-cut case for nonrandom X is the time trend (e.g., seconds into the experiment, or years into the Obama administration, etc.). Two clear cases of random X is (a) when X is co-determined with Y; and (b) when X is measured with random error.

E(Y|X) implies that the random variable X is not assumed to take on a particular value; E(Y|X=x) implies X is assumed to equal the predetermined, nonrandom value x. E[Y] is being used as a shorthand for "E[Y|X] if X is random, E[Y|x] otherwise."
 
For example, if we have height v.s. age (Y v.s. X), is X fixed or random?

Also, what does it mean for X to be FIXED? If we have five data points, x1,x2...,x5, and NOT all of them have the same value of X (e.g. x1≠x2), is X fixed in this case?

Thank you!
 
"Fixed vs. random" usually depends on your goal. In your example, height vs. age, there may be at least two different contexts:

1. Heights of 10 children are measured at ages 1 through 10. We would like to determine the relationship between height and age for these 10 children.

2. 100 children are selected at random from a population of 10,000; their ages are recorded and their heights are measured. We would like to determine a general relationship between height and age for the entire population, based on this sample.

In case 1, age is fixed. In case 2, it is random.
 
Enuma_Elish said:
"Fixed vs. random" usually depends on your goal. In your example, height vs. age, there may be at least two different contexts:

1. Heights of 10 children are measured at ages 1 through 10. We would like to determine the relationship between height and age for these 10 children.

2. 100 children are selected at random from a population of 10,000; their ages are recorded and their heights are measured. We would like to determine a general relationship between height and age for the entire population, based on this sample.

In case 1, age is fixed. In case 2, it is random.
Thanks for the concrete examples. Things make a lot more sense now!
 
2) By definitions,
E(Y)=

∫ y f(y) dy
-∞

E(Y|X)=

∫ y f(y|x) dy
-∞

If X is FIXED, does this ALWAYS imply that X and Y are INDEPENDENT and E(Y)=E(Y|X=x)?? Why or why not?

For simple linear regression model, my textbook typically write
Y= β0 + β1*X + ε as
E(Y) = β0 + β1*X

However, I have seen occasionally that
Y= β0 + β1*X + ε is written as
E(Y|X) = β0 + β1*X which looks a bit inconsistent to the above...how come? The definitions of E(Y) and E(Y|X) are clearly different as I outlined above, but here it seems like they are equal? How come?

Thanks for explaining!
 
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E(Y) (using shorthand notation) is a function of X: E(Y) = b0 + b1 X. That means E(Y) is never indep. of X; the question is whether it's a dependence on a nonrandom variable ("x"), or a random variable ("X"). As I explained above, E(Y) is a shorthand notation.
 
In their Econometric Foundations, Mittelhammer, Judge & Miller hold "E[Y] = E[Y|X] whenever X = x," (i.e. always). [Not an exact quotation.]
 
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