What is the difference between failure and fracture?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around differentiating between the concepts of failure and fracture in materials, particularly in the context of the stress-strain curve. Participants explore definitions, examples, and implications of both terms within material science and engineering applications.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that while all fractures are failures, not all failures are fractures, indicating a need for precise definitions.
  • One participant defines material failure as the complete loss of load carrying capacity due to stiffness degradation, while fracture is described as the separation of material into pieces.
  • Another participant mentions that fractures can occur without resulting in failure, particularly in cases of metal fatigue where a part may still function despite having fractures.
  • A participant provides a practical example involving a Cessna 172, illustrating a fracture that does not constitute failure, as the part remains functional and is monitored for safety.
  • It is noted that certain designs, such as rupture disks and shear pins, are intended to fracture as part of their operational function, further complicating the definitions of failure and fracture.
  • There is a suggestion that the stress-strain curve is useful for understanding material properties but may not directly inform the distinction between failure and fracture.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definitions and implications of failure and fracture, with no consensus reached on a singular interpretation. Multiple competing perspectives remain throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight that the definitions of failure and fracture may depend on specific contexts and applications, and the discussion does not resolve the nuances involved in these terms.

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How we can differentiate failure and fracture using Stress Strain Curve

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Welcome to the PF. :smile:
Keval Patil said:
How we can differentiate failure and fracture using Stress Strain Curve
Well, a fracture is certainly a failure, but what other part of the Stress-Strain curve would denote a permanent bad change in the material? :wink:
 
Material failure is defined as complete loss of load carrying capacity caused by stiffness degradation.

Fracture is more specific term. It refers to the separation of material into several pieces (crack/discontinuity).
 
Welcome, Keval Patil :cool:
It is common in cases of metal fatigue, to have one or more lines of fracture in a part that still does not fail.

Please, see:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatigue_(material)

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Here's a photo of a fracture that is not a failure:
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It's in the elevator of a Cessna 172. The holes at each end are stop drills for the purpose of preventing the crack from spreading. It's an old crack, at least several years old. If the crack was to spread too far, then it would be necessary to replace the panel. As it is, neither I nor the A&P-IA is concerned about it. But we are keeping an eye on it.

Here's a photo of several fractures that are spreading:
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It's from the wing skin from a different Cessna 172. This wing skin was removed and replaced because three of the cracks spread beyond the stop drills. The A&P who replaced it is not the one that signed off on it a year ago. This mechanic would probably have replaced it before it got this bad.

None of this comes from the stress-strain curve. The stress-strain curve is useful for describing the properties of a material in order to select a material for a particular application.

There are also cases where fracture is not a failure because the part is supposed to fracture. Search rupture disk and shear pin for examples.
 
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