What is the difference? special&general

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The discussion centers on the differences between special relativity (SR) and general relativity (GR), exploring their definitions, implications, and the contexts in which they apply. The conversation includes both theoretical aspects and conceptual clarifications.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that special relativity does not address accelerated reference frames or gravity, while general relativity encompasses both.
  • One participant corrects an earlier claim by stating that accelerated reference frames can be analyzed in special relativity, provided gravity is absent, and that spacetime remains "flat" in such cases.
  • General relativity is described as relating the geometry of spacetime to the matter it contains, with the assertion that "matter tells spacetime how to curve, spacetime tells matter how to move." This relationship is encapsulated in Einstein's equation.
  • Special relativity is characterized by Minkowski spacetime, which is unaffected by matter and features a finite invariant speed (c), contrasting with Newtonian spacetime where the invariant speed is infinite. This leads to phenomena such as time dilation and length contraction.
  • It is mentioned that Minkowski spacetime is a solution of general relativity, representing an empty universe devoid of matter.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the applicability of special relativity to accelerated frames and the nature of spacetime in both theories. No consensus is reached regarding the nuances of these concepts.

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Some limitations include the dependence on definitions of spacetime and the unresolved mathematical steps related to the transition between special and general relativity.

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what's the difference between special relativity and general relativity?
 
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This is question with a big but easily researched answer. You should first try your luck on the internet. Then come here for more pointed questions about these subjects.
 
bapowell is certainly correct, but I'm a softie so I'll give a quick answer:

Special relativity does NOT deal with a) accelerated reference frames or b) gravity. General relativity deals with both (at the same time, actually. The two situations are equivalent).
 
Correction: you can deal with accelerated reference frames (in the absence of gravity) in SR, with the help of some calculus. In these situations, spacetime is still "flat."

For gravitation, you need the curved spacetime of GR.
 
GR describes a relationship between the geometry of spacetime and its content of matter. The geometry determines how things move. ("Matter tells spacetime how to curve, spacetime tells matter how to move"). In particular, it determines which curves in spacetime we can think of as describing non-accelerating motion. The equation that describes the relationship is called Einstein's equation.

SR describes a spacetime called Minkowski spacetime, which is completely unaffected by the matter it contains. It's still different from the Newtonian/Galilean spacetime, which has all the properties that we intuitively associate with space and time. There's a natural way to associate a coordinate system with each inertial observer in both of those spacetimes. The main difference is that in Minkowski spacetime, there's a finite speed c that's the same in all of those coordinate systems, while in Galilei spacetime, the only invariant speed is infinite. This has a number of weird consequences, including time dilation, length contraction and relativity of simultaneity.

Minkowski spacetime is one of the solutions of GR. It's actually a solution that describes a universe that's completely empty, with no matter at all. SR is a theory of matter (that doesn't affect the properties of spacetime) and motion in that particular spacetime.
 
jtbell said:
Correction: you can deal with accelerated reference frames (in the absence of gravity) in SR, with the help of some calculus. In these situations, spacetime is still "flat."

For gravitation, you need the curved spacetime of GR.

I stand corrected!
 

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