What is the Direction of the Third Piece After the Bomb Explosion?

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The discussion revolves around a problem in momentum conservation following an explosion. A bomb at rest explodes into three pieces, with two pieces moving at specified velocities and angles, while the direction of the third piece is to be determined based on conservation principles.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss breaking down the velocities of the pieces into their x and y components to apply conservation of momentum. There is an exploration of how to isolate the third mass's components and the implications of the angles involved.

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Some participants have made progress in solving for the angle of the third piece, while others express uncertainty about the definitions of angles and the correctness of their calculations. There is a suggestion to verify results by substituting back into the momentum equations.

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Participants are working under the assumption of 100% conservation of momentum in both horizontal and vertical directions, and there is a mention of potential confusion regarding angle definitions.

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The Question

A bomb initially at rest on a smooth, horizontal surface explodes into 3 pieces. Two pieces fly across the surface at a 60 degree angle to each other: a 2.0 kg at 20 m/s and a 3.0 kg piece at 12 m/s. The 3rd pieces flys across the surface as well with a vector velocity of 30 m/s.

--> make a hypothetical prediction based on the direction of the 3rd piece.

assuming 100% conservation of momentum in both horizontal and veritcal directions, solve for the direction of the 3rd mass.

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I made my cartesian plane, had the 2 bomb going [60 east of north] and [60 east of south] and the third somewhere in the NW direction.

from here i am kind of lost, i was thinking to break each into there compentents?
 
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MrRottenTreats said:
The Question

A bomb initially at rest on a smooth, horizontal surface explodes into 3 pieces. Two pieces fly across the surface at a 60 degree angle to each other: a 2.0 kg at 20 m/s and a 3.0 kg piece at 12 m/s. The 3rd pieces flys across the surface as well with a vector velocity of 30 m/s.

--> make a hypothetical prediction based on the direction of the 3rd piece.

assuming 100% conservation of momentum in both horizontal and veritcal directions, solve for the direction of the 3rd mass.

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I made my cartesian plane, had the 2 bomb going [60 east of north] and [60 east of south] and the third somewhere in the NW direction.

from here i am kind of lost, i was thinking to break each into there compentents?
Yes, the only way to proceed is to break the momenta into x and y components. Then impose that the sum of the x components of all 3 pieces is zero and same for the sum of the y components.
Then isolate the x and y components of the piece moving at 30 m/s. You will get something of the form

[tex]m v_x = A[/tex]
[tex]m v_y = B[/tex]
where A and B are some numbers. Then square both expressions and add them up. Using the fact that [itex]v_x^2 + v_y^2 = (30 m/s)^2 = 900 m^2/s^2[/itex] you will find the mass. Then go back to one of the two equations above and find theta (using, say [itex]v_x = 30 m/s cos (\theta)[/itex]).

Pat
 
okay thank you very much i have this solved , i broke the horizontal and vertical up, then isolated for the m3 , then equated them to get rid of the m3.

i got:

-38 / 30cos(Theta) = -65.8 / 30sin(theta)

cross multiplied and got 30 degress as my angle. :D
 
MrRottenTreats said:
okay thank you very much i have this solved , i broke the horizontal and vertical up, then isolated for the m3 , then equated them to get rid of the m3.

i got:

-38 / 30cos(Theta) = -65.8 / 30sin(theta)

cross multiplied and got 30 degress as my angle. :D
Ok..
I am not sure how you defined your theta. Using v_x = 30 cos(theta) and v_y = 30 sin(theta) for the third mass would have led to a theta larger than 90 degrees, obviously. But You may have defined your theta to be North of West in which case 30 degrees seems plausible.

I haven't checked your number but that may be right.
Notice that you should *definitely* double check your answers for theta and the mass by plugging them back in your initial equations for momentum conservation along x and y and see that the total momentum is zero.

Glad I could help.

Regards

Pat
 

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