What is the equation for M and why is there a T?

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The discussion centers on the equations of motion involving mass M and the forces acting on it, specifically the tension T in a pulley system. The key equations derived include T = m2g, m2g = m1a, and the net force equation -T + Fpush - n = Ma. The participants confirm that the tension T is present due to the gravitational force acting on mass m2 and that the pulley is frictionless, which influences the calculations of the forces involved. The final expression for the push force is established as Fpush = (M + m1 + m2)a, aligning with the textbook solution.

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Please see picture.
Here is my method. Is it good?
T=m2g
m2g=m1a
a=m2g/m1
-n+Fpush=Ma. (n=normal force of m2 on M).
n=m2a=(m2)^2g/(m1a)

-n+Fpush=Ma.
Fpush=Ma+(m2)^2g/m
 

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yolo123 said:
Please see picture.
Here is my method. Is it good?
T=m2g
m2g=m1a
a=m2g/m1
-n+Fpush=Ma. (n=normal force of m2 on M).
n=m2a=(m2)^2g/(m1a)

-n+Fpush=Ma.
Fpush=Ma+(m2)^2g/m
No.

There is a horizontal force of T exerted to the left on M via the pulley.

There is also a downward force of T exerted on M, but that doesn't come into play here. It would if there was friction opposing the movement of M.

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Is the answer of the book wrong :O ?
 
yolo123 said:
Is the answer of the book wrong :O ?

Their result looks correct.
 
Perfect, I will come back to it!
What about this problem? I solved the force values:
I get -(5/8)M^2G/r^2 for the first attraction of the big mass and M^2G/(2r^2) for the attraction of the small mass.

Where did they get 5/16 and 1/4?
 

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yolo123 said:
Perfect, I will come back to it!
What about this problem? I solved the force values:
I get -(5/8)M^2G/r^2 for the first attraction of the big mass and M^2G/(2r^2) for the attraction of the small mass.

Where did they get 5/16 and 1/4?
They merely used proportions.

Gravitational force is directly proportional to mass & inversely proportional to the square of distance.

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Ok perfect!

Coming back to the previous question:
Would the equation for M be:

-T+Fpush-n=Ma?

Why is there a T? :O Is the pulley not frictionless?
 
yolo123 said:
Ok perfect!

Coming back to the previous question:
Would the equation for M be:

-T+Fpush-n=Ma?

Why is there a T? :O Is the pulley not frictionless?

Yes, the equation is
-T+Fpush-n=Ma .​
Furthermore, T = m1a as well as m2 g .

Also, n = m2a .

Plugging those into -T+Fpush-n=Ma and solving for Fpush gives
Fpush = (M + m1 + m2)a​
in agreement with the book.

Yes, the pulley is frictionless, but there is thension T to the left on it an tension T downward on it. Both of these are transmitted to block M.
 

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