What is the formula for calculating force using a spring balance?

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The discussion revolves around calculating force using a spring balance in a physics context. Participants emphasize the importance of analyzing forces acting on each mass and drawing free body diagrams to understand the system's dynamics. The tension in the strings connected to the spring balance is critical, and assumptions about static conditions should be avoided. A key formula derived is force = 2m1m2/(m1+m2), which relates to how the spring balance measures tension. The conversation concludes with clarity on the relationship between tension and the forces involved in the system.
  • #31
Suyash Singh said:
i don't know the math here but in this case one of the force acts as a "support" ,that is, we could replace one of the force with a wall.

what i mean to say is that two teams pulling rope from two sides with same force
is the same case as
a team pulling a rope attached to a stationary wall with the same force.
but i don't know the math because its not given properly anywhere.
 
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  • #32
Suyash Singh said:
Applying on m2
force=m2(g+a)
Applying on m1
force=m1(g-a)
Right. You have two equations and two unknowns. Solve to find the force.
How does that force relate to what the spring balance shows?
 
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  • #33
haruspex said:
Right. You have two equations and two unknowns. Solve to find the force.
How does that force relate to what the spring balance shows?
a=(m1-m2)g/m1+m2
force=2m1m2/m1+m2
oh so the spring balance shows 2m1m2/m1+m2 since it divides the tension produced by g to get the mass
 
  • #34
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Suyash Singh said:
a=(m1-m2)g/m1+m2
force=2m1m2/m1+m2
oh so the spring balance shows 2m1m2/m1+m2 since it divides the tension produced by g to get the mass
that's why two teams pulling a rope with the same force of 1000N will produce a tension of 1000N !

because tension=2*1000*1000/(1000+1000)=1000N
wow now i am so clear about this :)
 
  • #35
Suyash Singh said:
force=2m1m2/m1+m2
You missed out g and you should use parentheses in the denominator, but other than that, yes.
 
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