What is the impact of distance on induction in electrical cables?

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The discussion revolves around the impact of distance on electromagnetic induction in electrical cables, specifically focusing on the effects of separation distance from a high-voltage line on the voltage experienced in a nearby communication cable. The scope includes technical explanations and potential solutions to interference issues.

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  • Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the voltage on an 18g cable at different heights above a 660v line.
  • Another participant questions the type of cable and whether there is a metal conduit around the high-voltage line, suggesting that these factors could influence induction.
  • A participant clarifies that the 18g cable is a 5 wire + shield configuration without a conduit around the 660v line.
  • One participant estimates that increasing the separation from 18 to 24 inches could reduce electromagnetic coupling by approximately 40%, referencing the inverse-square law.
  • This same participant notes that issues may arise from ground voltage differences, particularly if the data interface is not using differential signaling.
  • Several potential solutions are proposed, including disconnecting the shield at one end, using optical couplers, or switching to optical fiber or radio links to mitigate interference.
  • Another participant highlights that the shielding on the communication cable does not seem to provide adequate protection against magnetic coupling and mentions concerns about ground loops.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effectiveness of shielding and grounding in preventing interference, and there is no consensus on the best approach to mitigate the issues raised.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge various factors that could influence the effectiveness of the proposed solutions, including the type of signaling used and the presence of ground loops, but do not resolve these complexities.

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I have a cable caring 660v 4800 amps below an 18g comm line designed for 24v connections. I am inducting on to the 18g line. How do I calculate voltage increase with the distance from the line?
So if my 18g cable is 18 inches above the 660v line what will my V be one the 18g line? compared to if it is 24 inches per say
 
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Is the 18g cable a twisted pair, or a coaxial cable? Is there a metal conduit around the 660v line?
 
No conduit around the 660. The 18g is 5 wire + a shield
 
Moving from 18 to 24 inch separation will probably reduce the coupling by 40%. That's just based on the inverse-square law, where doubling the distance decreases field strength by a factor of four.

Please realize that there may be other issues. For instance if the data interface is not differential signalling, a difference in the Ground voltages between Transmitter and Receiver may be part, or all, of the problem. That could occur even with differential signalling if the Ground references have a large difference.

Other possible solutions: (from simplest to Ouch!)
  • Disconnect the shield at the transmitter end, leave connected at receiver.
  • Use optical couplers at the receiver to keep common mode interference out of the receiver. (Common Mode is when the same interfering signal is on both wires of a differential signal circuit.)
  • Use an optically isolated transmitter.
  • Replace the data cable with an optical fiber link.
Or change to a radio link.

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This one is not very practical, try only if you can not go to optical fiber or radio link. Put a tuned filter in each of the data lines at the receiver, RLC filter tuned to the interfering frequency. If the power line is 3-phase you may also need filtering at the third harmonic, three times the line frequency.
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Cheers,
Tom
 
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The shielding on the comms cable seems to afford zero protection against the magnetic coupling and the conductors sound not to be balanced, so no protection from that either. Also be careful about ground loops (as mentioned).
 

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