What is the issue with the example of \sigma-algebras on infinite sets?

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The discussion focuses on the properties of \sigma-algebras and the specific example of subsets of an infinite set X, particularly the set of positive integers. It highlights that while a collection of subsets where either a set or its complement is finite forms an algebra, it fails to be a \sigma-algebra due to not being closed under countable unions. The confusion arises when considering the union of infinite subsets, as the union of all positive integers is still infinite, which does not satisfy the conditions for a \sigma-algebra. The participants explore the implications of this example and question the logic behind the definitions, particularly regarding the treatment of infinite complements. Ultimately, the discussion emphasizes the nuances in understanding \sigma-algebras in the context of infinite sets.
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I am trying to better my understanding of \sigma-algebras, and I have a bit of an issue with one of the examples. This is from Cohn Measure Theory, and before I give the problem, here are two definitions:

Let X be an arbitrary set. A collection \delta\Large of subsets of X is an algebra on X if:

(a) X \in Z

(b) for each set A that belongs to \delta\Large, the set A^c belongs to \delta\Large

(c) for each finite sequence A_{1}, ... , A_{n} of sets that belong to \delta\Large the set \bigcup_{i=1}^{n}A_{i} belongs to \delta\Large and

(d) for each finite sequence A_{1}, ... , A_{n} of sets that belong to \delta\Large the set \bigcap_{i=1}^{n}A_{i} belongs to \delta\Large



Let X be an arbitrary set. A collection \delta\Large of subsets of X is a \sigma-algebra on X if:

(a) X \in Z

(b) for each set A that belongs to \delta\Large, the set A^c belongs to \delta\Large

(c) for each infinite sequence \{A_{i}\} of sets that belong to \delta\Large the set \bigcup_{i=1}^{\infty}A_{i} belongs to \delta\Large and

(d) for each infinite sequence \{A_{1}\} of sets that belong to \delta\Large the set \bigcap_{i=1}^{\infty}A_{i} belongs to \delta\Large


Okay, with all that. Here is what I am having issues with.

If X is an infinite set, and \delta is the collection of all subsets A such that either A or A^c is finite. Then \delta is an algebra on X but not closed under the formation of countable unions, and so not a \sigma-algebra.

So, if I take, for example X to be the set of all positive integers, that is X = {1,2,3,...} and define A_{i} = i.

Then, I have \bigcup_{i=1}^{n}A_{i} = {1,2,3,...,n} which belongs to \delta but \bigcup_{i=1}^{\infty}A_{i} = {1,2,3,...} belongs to \delta as well, so why does this fail to be a \sigma-algebra? Where have I gone wrong?
 
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Can you think of an infinite subset of X whose complement is also infinite?
 
Thank you. Let me see if I understand this right,

As before with X = {1,2,3,...} and

if A_{i} = 2i and A_{j} = 2j-1, then A = \bigcup_{i}^{\infty}A_{i} = 2,4,6,... and A_{\infty}^c = \bigcup_{j}^{\infty}A_{j} = 1,3,5,...

If A^c is defined to be finite, we have A_{n}^c = \bigcup_{j}^{n}A_{j} = 1,3,5,...,2n-1.

So, we have X \notin A_{n}^c\cup{A} which fails to be a \sigma-algebra but X \in A_{\infty}^c\cup{A} is a \sigma-algebra?

Is this logic correct?
 
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