What is the lewis structure for IO3

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The discussion centers around the Lewis structure for the iodate ion (IO3-), exploring the calculation of valence electrons, oxidation states, and the implications of formal charge in molecular structures. Participants also touch on related concepts in chemistry, such as the phosphate ion (PO4-3) and the sulfite ion (SO3-2).

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks for the Lewis structure of IO3- and expresses confusion over the odd number of valence electrons calculated.
  • Another participant suggests determining the charge of the polyanion and the oxidation state of iodine, proposing a method to visualize the electron arrangement.
  • There is a question about whether the ion must have a -1 charge or if it can be neutral.
  • A participant discusses the balance between the octet rule and minimizing formal charges in the context of phosphate, presenting different structural options.
  • Another participant offers an example using sulfite (SO3-2) to illustrate the process of determining oxidation states and constructing a Lewis structure.
  • A participant expresses difficulty understanding the terminology used in the discussion, requesting simpler explanations or examples.
  • There is a question regarding the assumption that oxygen has a valence of -2, prompting clarification about valence electrons and non-bonding electrons.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the charge of the iodate ion or the best approach to constructing its Lewis structure. Multiple competing views and methods are presented, and some participants express confusion about the terminology and concepts discussed.

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Participants mention various assumptions, such as the oxidation states of elements and the treatment of formal charges, which may not be universally agreed upon. The discussion reflects a range of understanding and familiarity with chemical terminology.

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Readers interested in Lewis structures, oxidation states, and formal charge considerations in chemistry may find this discussion relevant, especially those studying these concepts in different languages or contexts.

devanlevin
what does the lewis structure of (IO3) look like??
 
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It looks marvelous!
 
o thanks, didnt really help, suppose i should be more specific..
i count up the valence electrons and get 6 for each O and 7 for the I, this gives me an odd number,
how do i deal with this
 
First you need to determine the charge on the polyanion. Then, assume that the oxygens are at a valence of -2. From those two bits of information, determine the oxidation state of the iodine.

Now, start at the iodine and put seven electrons around it. That is the ground state for iodine. Take away as many electrons as you need to get to the oxidation state of the iodine that you determined above. (it isn't 7...) Do the same for the oxygens but add two electrons to it's ground state.

Put it together... You should end up with one excess electron charge which gives the complex it's -1 valency.
 
so it NEEDS to be -1, cannot be neutral??

another question, what is a "stronger" rule? the octet or spreading the formal charge, more specifically, inPO4(-3) i can either have a symetric structure, p in the middle 4 O's around it, 4 pairs each, seems perfect, but the formal charge of the O's is -1 each and of the P is 1, so each has a formal charge,
otherwise
P in the middle with 4 O' s aroung 3 of them with single bond and 3 pairs and 1 with double bond an 2 pairs, this giving P 10 electrons instead of 8 around it, formal charge comes to -1 for each of the single bond O's and 0 for the P and double bonded O,

another option is
p in the middle 4 O's around each with double bonds and 2 lone pairs
i learned that i must try and get the FC of each closest to 0
 
You can do the same kind of analysis with phosphate as well.
 
sorry, but i don't really understan what to do, i am studying chemistry in another language so the terminology you are using isn't very understood to me. could you show me an example of how it is meant to look or maybe try in simpler english. sorry bout this
 
Let's do sulfite, SO3-2. First, I assume the oxidation # (valence) of oxygen is -2 for each oxygen. The overall charge of the ion is -2 and there are three oxygens.
The oxidation # (valence) for sulfur is equal but opposite in sign to the difference between the oxidation #'s on oxygen and the overall ion's charge ... Sulfur's valence = [-1]*[3(-2)-(-2)] = 4

Zero valent sulfur has 6 electrons in it's outer shell. Sulfur in an oxidation state of +4 would have 4 fewer electrons and therefore has only 2 electrons.
Zero valent oxygen also has 6 electrons in it's outer shell. Oxygen in an oxidation state of -2 would have two additional electrons and therefore has 8.

The Lewis structure therefore has a central sulfur, with it's two electrons, and it shares three pairs of electrons with the oxygens... one pair each with the individual oxygen atoms. The overall charge on the molecule is -2. There is a complete octet around each atom within the complex.

Now, you do it for phosphate and IO3-...
 
according to what do you assume the valence for oxygen is -2, what does this mean, does it not have 6 valence electrons? do you mean the 2 non bonding electrons?
 

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