What is the limit of x^lnx as x approaches 0+?

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The discussion revolves around the limit of the expression x^ln(x) as x approaches 0 from the positive side. Participants explore various methods to evaluate this limit, including the application of logarithms and L'Hôpital's Rule, while addressing the indeterminate form encountered.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that the limit results in the indeterminate form 0^∞, which complicates direct evaluation.
  • One participant attempts to simplify the limit by taking the natural logarithm, leading to the expression ln(x)*ln(x), but struggles with applying L'Hôpital's Rule correctly.
  • Another participant points out that as x approaches 0+, ln(x) approaches -∞, which is crucial for understanding the behavior of the limit.
  • Some participants suggest evaluating the limit numerically by testing values close to 0, while others propose using a δ-M proof for rigor.
  • One participant provides a transformation by letting x = e^y, leading to a limit expression that suggests the limit approaches infinity.
  • There is a correction regarding the application of L'Hôpital's Rule, emphasizing that it can only be used for specific indeterminate forms, which some participants challenge.

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Participants express differing views on the application of L'Hôpital's Rule and the correct interpretation of the limit. While some agree on the behavior of ln(x) as x approaches 0, there is no consensus on the overall limit of x^ln(x).

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Participants highlight the importance of recognizing the indeterminate forms and the conditions under which L'Hôpital's Rule can be applied. There are unresolved mathematical steps and varying interpretations of the limit's behavior.

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It seems simple enough, but I keep getting stuck.

When originally taking the limit I end up with 0^∞, which is an indeterminate form.

I have tried to simplify the problem by taking the natural log of it, which leaves me with lnx*lnx. After applying L'Hospitals Theorem I still end up with lnx*lnx.

Can anyone help me figure out where I am going wrong?
 
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How exactly did you apply l'Hopital's theorem? Because it does not give you (\log x)^2.
 
Well, I know that e^ln(x^lnx) is the same as x^lnx, but I put aside the e for the end of the equation.
ln(x^lnx)= lnx*lnx.

To apply L'Hospitals Rule I have to have it in quotient form, so I rearranged my equation to lnx/ (1/lnx).

After taking the derivative of both I ended up at -(lnx)^2.
 
First off lnx goes to -∞ as x goes to 0+, not ∞. With this in mind remember that we are only interested in values as x gets extremely close to zero from above, we don't care what happens at x=0. Thus try evaluating x^lnx for .1 then .01 then .001 and observe its behavior, finally finish off with a δ-M proof.
 
mehgunn said:
It seems simple enough, but I keep getting stuck.

When originally taking the limit I end up with 0^∞, which is an indeterminate form.

I have tried to simplify the problem by taking the natural log of it, which leaves me with lnx*lnx. After applying L'Hospitals Theorem I still end up with lnx*lnx.

Can anyone help me figure out where I am going wrong?
x^log(x) = e^(log(x) * log(x)) = e^((log(x))^2)

As x -> 0, log(x) goes to -infinity so (log(x))^2 goes to infinity, and so does e^that.

Then I put it in a graphing calculator and verified the result visually.

You were on the right track with log(x) * log(x). As x->0, log(x) goes to -inf so log(x) * log(x) goes to +inf. Exponentiating to get back to where you started (since you originally took the log) you get the same result I did. And you can justify logging and exp-ing since continuous functions preserve limits.

But rather than initially take the log, it's better to start by expressing any exponential expression as e^something using a^b = e^(b * log(a)). That's the first thing to do whenever you see an exponential expression where the base isn't already e.

BTW I use "log" to mean natural log since that's the usual convention in math.
 
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mehgunn said:
It seems simple enough, but I keep getting stuck.

When originally taking the limit I end up with 0^∞, which is an indeterminate form.

I have tried to simplify the problem by taking the natural log of it, which leaves me with lnx*lnx. After applying L'Hospitals Theorem I still end up with lnx*lnx.

Can anyone help me figure out where I am going wrong?

the log diverges continuously to negative infinity as x approaches zero. So x^ln(x) is the reciprocal of a very small number raised to a huge power.
 
\displaystyle\lim_{x\to 0^+}x^{ln(x)}


Let \ \ x \ = \ e^y

Then \ \ ln(x) \ = \ y


As \ \ x \rightarrow 0^+, \ \ e^y \ \rightarrow \ 0^+

Then \ \ y \ \rightarrow \ -\infty


The limit can be rewritten as:


\displaystyle\lim_{y\to -\infty}e^{y^2} \ =


\infty
 
mehgunn said:
Well, I know that e^ln(x^lnx) is the same as x^lnx, but I put aside the e for the end of the equation.
ln(x^lnx)= lnx*lnx.

To apply L'Hospitals Rule I have to have it in quotient form, so I rearranged my equation to lnx/ (1/lnx).

After taking the derivative of both I ended up at -(lnx)^2.

Since no one has yet commented on this, let me correct you. L' Hopital's Rule can only be applied when the limit is of the indeterminate form 0/0 or ±∞/∞.

In this case ln x/(1/ln x) is not of the correct form (it's of the form -∞/0-), and LHR does not apply.

You should just take the limit of ln x, which is -∞ and square it to get ∞, as SteveL27 has pointed out.
 

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