What is the Mass of a Thunderhead?

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The discussion revolves around the mass of water contained in a large thunderhead, exploring the concept of how much water is present in such clouds and the implications of this mass in relation to buoyancy and cloud formation. Participants consider various aspects of cloud physics, including the differences between water vapor and liquid water in clouds.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant wonders about the total mass of water in a thunderhead, suggesting it could be many tons.
  • Another participant notes that the amount of water in a thunderstorm varies and questions the ability to quantify it accurately.
  • A reference is made to a source that estimates the mean precipitation content of an isolated thunderhead to be around 109 kilograms, with the potential for actual output to exceed this amount during the thunderhead's life cycle.
  • Several participants express amazement at the ability of such a large mass to float in the air, discussing the density of water vapor compared to air.
  • One participant clarifies that while water vapor is lighter than air, the mass of the thunderhead is primarily due to liquid water droplets, which are supported by rising air currents.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the mass of water in a thunderhead is significant and that it can float due to the dynamics of rising air. However, there is no consensus on the exact amount of water or how to measure it accurately, leading to multiple competing views on the topic.

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The discussion highlights the complexity of quantifying the mass of water in clouds, noting that variations in individual thunderstorms and the distinction between water vapor and liquid water complicate the analysis.

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ISTM that large clouds hold a lot of water, and that water is fairly heavy.

Which got me to wondering just how "heavy" all the water in a large thunderhead would be? I'm assuming that many, many tons of water are floating around up there, but how many?
 
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What does "ISTM" stand for?
Do you have any idea or sources that you've already checked?
Every thunderstorm is different, so I would say no one can say the amount of water, in tons, that a thunderhead contains.
If you stand on your paved street during a thunderstorm, gather up all the rainwater running off in buckets, and then weigh it, what could you infer? Would those measurements tell anything about the total amount that the thunderhead contained?
 
EskWIRED said:
Which got me to wondering just how "heavy" all the water in a large thunderhead would be? I'm assuming that many, many tons of water are floating around up there, but how many?

Rogers and Yau, "A Short Course in Cloud Physics" on page 235 give the mean precipitation content of an isolated thunderhead as on the order of 109 kilograms. They also point out that the actual output during the life of a thunderhead can be more than five times that amount due to the fact that a thunderhead is a process, and not just an object.

Does this answer your question?
 
Bobbywhy said:
What does "ISTM" stand for?

It seems to me that ISTM stands for It Seems To Me.
:-p
 
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Enigman said:
It seems to me that ISTM stands for It Seems To Me.
:-p

Enigman, thank you for your translation. Since I am an "OF" (Old Fart) I needed your help.
 
Klimatos that is exactly what I
was wondering. Thanks. I find it amazing that so much mass can just float on air.
 
Enigman said:
It seems to me that ISTM stands for It Seems To Me.
:-p
This is why TSINA (text speak is not allowed) at PF, EskWIRED, please type out text speak.
 
EskWIRED said:
I find it amazing that so much mass can just float on air.

The density of water vapor is much less than the density of air, at the same pressure. Molecular weight of water = 18, compared with 28 for nitrogen, and 32 for oxygen.

If water vapor was not light enough to "float on air", thunderheads would never form.
 
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AlephZero said:
The density of water vapor is much less than the density of air, at the same pressure. Molecular weight of water = 18, compared with 28 for nitrogen, and 32 for oxygen.

If water vapor was not light enough to "float on air", thunderheads would never form.

Water vapor is certainly lighter than dry air. However, the source that I was quoting was referring to the liquid condensate (cloud droplets) content of the thunderhead, not the water vapor content. These droplets are kept aloft by the force of the rising air balancing the downward gravitational force.

This is easier to picture if you think of the thunderhead (and all clouds) as the visible tops of invisible masses of rising air.
 

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