What Is the Minimum Number of Real Roots for the Given Equation?

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The discussion revolves around determining the minimum number of real roots for the equation \((f''(x))^2 + f'(x)f'''(x) = 0\), given the properties of a non-constant twice differentiable function \(f(x)\) defined on \(\mathbb{R}\) with the symmetry \(f(x) = f(1-x)\) and the condition \(f'(1/4) = 0\).

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the implications of the symmetry in \(f(x)\) and the conditions provided, noting that \(f'(x)\) and \(f''(x)\) exhibit specific behaviors at certain points. There is discussion about applying Rolle's Theorem and the relationships between the derivatives of \(f\).

Discussion Status

Participants have identified several roots and are exploring additional roots through the application of Rolle's Theorem. There is ongoing inquiry into the behavior of \(f'(x)\) and \(f''(x)\) at specific points, particularly around \(1/4\), \(1/2\), and \(3/4\). The discussion remains open with no explicit consensus on the total number of roots yet reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of the problem's conditions, including the symmetry of \(f(x)\) and the behavior of its derivatives at specific points. There is an acknowledgment of the need to find additional roots beyond those already identified.

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Homework Statement


Let f(x) be a non-constant twice differentiable function defined on R such that f(x)=f(1-x) and f'(1/4) =0 then what is the minimum number of real roots of the equation (f"(x))^2+f'(x)f'''(x)=0.

The Attempt at a Solution



f'(x)=-f'(1-x)
f"(x)=f"(1-x)
f'''(x)=-f'''(1-x)

putting x = 1/4 in the first eqn gives f'(3/4)=0
putting x=1/4 in the given equation (f"(x))^2+f'(x)f'''(x)=0 gives f"(1/4)=0. ∴f"(3/4)=0.
So I have got a total of 2 roots. But there are some more which I can't find.
 
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utkarshakash said:

Homework Statement


Let f(x) be a non-constant twice differentiable function defined on R such that f(x)=f(1-x) and f'(1/4) =0 then what is the minimum number of real roots of the equation (f"(x))^2+f'(x)f'''(x)=0.

The Attempt at a Solution



f'(x)=-f'(1-x)
f"(x)=f"(1-x)
f'''(x)=-f'''(1-x)

putting x = 1/4 in the first eqn gives f'(3/4)=0
putting x=1/4 in the given equation (f"(x))^2+f'(x)f'''(x)=0 gives f"(1/4)=0. ∴f"(3/4)=0.
So I have got a total of 2 roots. But there are some more which I can't find.

Observe that the given equation is
$$\frac{d}{dx}(f'(x)\cdot f''(x))=0$$
See if that helps.
 
Pranav-Arora said:
Observe that the given equation is
$$\frac{d}{dx}(f'(x)\cdot f''(x))=0$$
See if that helps.

Let y= f'(x)f"(x)

According to Rolle's Theorem there must lie a root of dy/dx between 1/4 and 3/4. But what about other roots?
 
utkarshakash said:
Let y= f'(x)f"(x)

According to Rolle's Theorem there must lie a root of dy/dx between 1/4 and 3/4. But what about other roots?

I am unsure how to proceed but how about x=1/2?

At how many points is f'(x) zero? At how many points is f''(x) zero?
 
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utkarshakash said:
Let y= f'(x)f"(x)

According to Rolle's Theorem there must lie a root of dy/dx between 1/4 and 3/4. But what about other roots?

You need to find the known zeroes of [itex]y = f'f''[/itex], at which point you can apply Rolle's theorem to get the known zeroes of [itex]y'[/itex], which is what you're interested in.

So far you know that [itex]f'(\frac14) = f'(\frac34) = 0[/itex].

What, in view of the condition [itex]f(x) = f(1-x)[/itex], can you say about [itex]f'(\frac12)[/itex]?

Now apply Rolle's theorem to [itex]f'[/itex].
 
pasmith said:
You need to find the known zeroes of [itex]y = f'f''[/itex], at which point you can apply Rolle's theorem to get the known zeroes of [itex]y'[/itex], which is what you're interested in.

So far you know that [itex]f'(\frac14) = f'(\frac34) = 0[/itex].

What, in view of the condition [itex]f(x) = f(1-x)[/itex], can you say about [itex]f'(\frac12)[/itex]?

Now apply Rolle's theorem to [itex]f'[/itex].

I can say that there must lie a root of y' between 1/4 and 1/2 as well as 1/2 and 3/4.
 
utkarshakash said:
I can say that there must lie a root of y' between 1/4 and 1/2 as well as 1/2 and 3/4.

y is also zero at some more points.

f'(x) is zero at 1/2 and 1/4 so there must be at least one point in between them where f''(x) is zero. Can you proceed now?
 

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