What Is the Minimum Vacuum Pressure Before a Stainless Steel Pipe Collapses?

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The discussion centers around determining the minimum vacuum pressure that a stainless steel pipe can withstand before collapsing under atmospheric pressure. It involves considerations of pipe dimensions, material properties, and calculations related to buckling pressure.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the minimum vacuum pressure before atmospheric pressure collapses the stainless steel pipe, specifying the pipe's outer diameter and thickness.
  • Another participant suggests performing a pipe buckling calculation to determine the critical buckling pressure.
  • There is a request for clarification on whether the buckling calculation refers to Euler's column buckling formula.
  • A participant mentions the impracticality of adding a fan at the input of the pipe due to its location inside a tank and notes that the pipe is quite long without specifying its length.
  • References to external resources and literature on external pressure buckling of pipes are provided for further exploration of the topic.
  • Discussion includes a mention of Roark's Formulas for Stress and Strain, highlighting the importance of wall thickness to diameter ratio in calculating buckling strength.

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Participants express varying approaches to the problem, with no consensus reached on the specific calculations or methods to determine the minimum vacuum pressure. Multiple viewpoints on the buckling calculations and references to literature indicate ongoing debate.

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Participants have not provided specific assumptions or limitations regarding the calculations, and the discussion lacks detailed mathematical steps or definitive conclusions about the minimum vacuum pressure.

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I have a length of pipe where air is being pulled through by a high powered fan at one end. The pipe is stainless steel, outer diameter is 100 inches. the thickness is 0.125 inches. I need to know what is the minimum vacuum pressure inside the pipe can be before the atmospheric pressure will collapse the steel?
 
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Have you done a pipe buckling calculation to determine its critical buckling pressure?
 
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Bryan Sutter said:
I have a length of pipe where air is being pulled through by a high powered fan at one end. The pipe is stainless steel, outer diameter is 100 inches. the thickness is 0.125 inches. I need to know what is the minimum vacuum pressure inside the pipe can be before the atmospheric pressure will collapse the steel?
Welcome to the PF.

Can you add a fan at the input to the pipe to minimize the gauge pressure on the pipe wall? How long is the pipe?
 
Mech_Engineer said:
Have you done a pipe buckling calculation to determine its critical buckling pressure?
Can you elaborate on this? You aren't referring to Euler's column buckling formula are you?
 
berkeman said:
Welcome to the PF.

Can you add a fan at the input to the pipe to minimize the gauge pressure on the pipe wall? How long is the pipe?
The input of the pipe is inside a tank, so I do not believe adding a fan at this location is possible. As to the length it is ductwork going through a large plant, so I do not have length on hand, but it is quite long.
 
For a reference on your problem got to: http://web.ornl.gov/info/reports/1962/3445605700239.pdf

And for something that might help review the set of tables starting on pg 439 of: http://ijiset.com/vol2/v2s12/IJISET_V2_I12_50.pdf

These and a list of other pertinent items will be found with a web search under the title "external pressure buckling of pipes or tubes"
 
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Bryan Sutter said:
Can you elaborate on this? You aren't referring to Euler's column buckling formula are you?

This http://web.ornl.gov/info/reports/1962/3445605700239.pdf .

Roark's Formulas for Stress and Strain also includes a section titled "Thin Tube Under Uniform lateral External Pressure; Very Long Tube with Free Ends", which is a set of equations for calculating buckling strength of pipes. You may be limited based on your wall thickness to diameter ratio, so pay close attention to the stated limits of any formulas you might find.
 
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