What is the Name of this Mathematical Series?

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The discussion revolves around the identification and properties of a specific mathematical series defined as 1/2 + 2/3 + 3/4 + 4/5 + ... + n/(n+1). Participants explore whether this series has a formal name, its divergence, and comparisons to the harmonic series.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question if the series has a specific name, suggesting it may not be widely recognized due to its divergence.
  • One participant relates the series to the harmonic series, noting that the harmonic series diverges and discussing its properties.
  • Another participant mentions that the divergence of the harmonic series is very slow, comparing it to other sequences that diverge even more slowly.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of increasing the exponent in the series, with some participants noting that certain modifications can lead to convergence.
  • Participants explore the idea of constructing series that diverge more slowly than the harmonic series, with examples provided.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the existence of series that can converge under specific conditions, referencing a professor's comments on terms with "9, 99, 999".

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interest and significance of the series, with some finding it uninteresting due to its divergence, while others engage in deeper exploration of its properties and related series. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the formal naming of the series and the implications of its divergence.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the series diverges, but the rate of divergence is debated, with references to logarithmic growth and comparisons to other series. The discussion includes assumptions about the nature of divergence and convergence without reaching a consensus on specific definitions or properties.

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Is there a name for this series:

1/2 + 2/3 + 3/4 + 4/5 + 5/6 + 6/7 + 7/8 + 8/9 +...+ n/(n+1)

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I don't think so. Since the series diverges, I don't think many will find it interesting.
 
It's equal to n + 1 - (1 + 1/2 + 1/3 + 1/4 + ... + 1/n+1). The thing in parens is the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmonic_series_%28mathematics%29" . Umm, actually, I think "harmonic series" refers to the infinite series of which this is the first n+1 terms.
 
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micromass said:
I don't think so. Since the series diverges, I don't think many will find it interesting.

The harmonic series diverges. I think you hurt its feelings :(okay I'm just feeling silly...
 
ArcanaNoir said:
The harmonic series diverges.
Just barely, though...
 
pmsrw3 said:
Just barely, though...

What does barely mean? I can deleted infinitely many terms from the harmonic series and it will still diverge... I can make the terms much smaller and it will still diverge.
 
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You can divide it in half and it still diverges. I know that's not as cool as taking infinitely many terms from it, but then again, it kind of is the same thing...

My prof started telling me about how you can take the terms with "9, 99, 999" or maybe with that as an exponent, or something?... and make it converge. He didn't really lay it out though, just kind of said something in passing. Was this a baseless rumor or is there something like that?
 
ArcanaNoir said:
You can divide it in half and it still diverges. I know that's not as cool as taking infinitely many terms from it, but then again, it kind of is the same thing...

My prof started telling me about how you can take the terms with "9, 99, 999" or maybe with that as an exponent, or something?... and make it converge. He didn't really lay it out though, just kind of said something in passing. Was this a baseless rumor or is there something like that?

Check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_set_(combinatorics) :smile:
 
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micromass said:
What does barely mean?
It diverges very, very slowly!
 
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pmsrw3 said:
It diverges very, very slowly!

It divergence is in the order of log(n). While this is extremely slow for all applications, I can still easily find sequences that diverge 100000 times slower. I just want to make clear that "slow" is relative :smile:
 
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micromass said:
What does barely mean? I can deleted infinitely many terms from the harmonic series and it will still diverge... I can make the terms much smaller and it will still diverge.

If I increase the exponent on the series just "barely", though, it converges!

[tex]\sum_{n=1}^\infty \frac{1}{n^{1+\epsilon}} < \infty[/tex]
for any [itex]\epsilon > 0[/itex]! ;) (the exclamation point denotes excitement, not a factorial! =P)
 
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Maybe if you discover cool enough properties for the series, you can get to name it yourself. ;)
 
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micromass said:
It divergence is in the order of log(n). While this is extremely slow for all applications, I can still easily find sequences that diverge 100000 times slower. I just want to make clear that "slow" is relative :smile:
Sure. In fact, I could find a series that diverges infinitely more slowly, and then I could find another that diverges infinitely more slowly than that, and so, on, ad infinitum:

[tex] \begin{array}{l}<br /> \sum _{k=n}^{\infty } 1 \\<br /> \sum _{k=n}^{\infty } \frac{1}{k} \\<br /> \sum _{k=n}^{\infty } \frac{1}{k \log (k)} \\<br /> \sum _{k=n}^{\infty } \frac{1}{k \log (k) \log (\log (k))} \\<br /> \sum _{k=n}^{\infty } \frac{1}{k \log (k) \log (\log (k)) \log (\log (\log (k)))} \\<br /> ...<br /> \end{array}[/tex]

But those would be contrived series, made up just for the purpose of diverging slowly. The harmonic series is about as slowly diverging a series as you're likely to bump into, unless you go hunting for slowly diverging series.

I also had in mind the point Mute made: considering just series with terms of the form ip, p=-1 is the edge case.
 
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Mute said:
If I increase the exponent on the series just "barely", though, it converges!

[tex]\sum_{n=1}^\infty \frac{1}{n^{1+\epsilon}} < \infty[/tex]
for any [itex]\epsilon > 0[/itex]! ;) (the exclamation point denotes excitement, not a factorial! =P)

And yet

[tex]\sum{\frac{1}{n^{1+\frac{1}{n}}}}[/tex]

also diverges. So I can increase the exponent a bit, and it will still diverge!
 
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pmsrw3 said:
Sure. In fact, I could find a series that diverges infinitely more slowly, and then I could find another that diverges infinitely more slowly than that, and so, on, ad infinitum:

[tex] \begin{array}{l}<br /> \sum _{k=n}^{\infty } 1 \\<br /> \sum _{k=n}^{\infty } \frac{1}{k} \\<br /> \sum _{k=n}^{\infty } \frac{1}{k \log (k)} \\<br /> \sum _{k=n}^{\infty } \frac{1}{k \log (k) \log (\log (k))} \\<br /> \sum _{k=n}^{\infty } \frac{1}{k \log (k) \log (\log (k)) \log (\log (\log (k)))} \\<br /> ...<br /> \end{array}[/tex]

But those would be contrived series, made up just for the purpose of diverging slowly. The harmonic series is about as slowly diverging a series as you're likely to bump into, unless you go hunting for slowly diverging series.

I also had in mind the point Mute made: considering just series with terms of the form ip, p=-1 is the edge case.

Those series are not contrived. I've seen them popping up in probability theory. Fine, they're useless, but they do pop up from time to time :smile:
 
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micromass said:
Those series are not contrived. I've seen them popping up in probability theory. Fine, they're useless, but they do pop up from time to time :smile:
Really! :-)
 

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