What is the net force on Box H when pushing on Box G with a horizontal force?

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The problem involves two cardboard boxes, Box G and Box H, on a frictionless table, where Box H has twice the mass of Box G. The original poster is trying to determine the net force on Box H when a horizontal force F is applied to Box G.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply Newton's second law to relate the forces and masses of the boxes, but some participants question the application of forces and suggest considering the entire system's acceleration.
  • One participant suggests that the force F should be related to the acceleration of both boxes together, prompting further discussion on the reasoning behind this approach.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on why the entire system is considered rather than analyzing Box G individually, indicating a need for deeper understanding of system dynamics.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering hints and guidance without providing complete solutions. There is a recognition of the need to consider the system as a whole, and some participants are exploring the implications of this approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference homework guidelines that emphasize the importance of independent problem-solving and discourage providing full solutions. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity involved in analyzing the forces acting on the boxes.

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Homework Statement


Two cardboard boxes full of books are in contact with each other on a friction less table.Box H has twice the mass of Box G. If you push on box G with a horizontal force F, then box H will experience a net force of?



2. The attempt at a solution

Let book G's mass be = m
Then book H's mass is = 2m

Let the force applied on book g (push) be F.

Then,
F = ma -| From second law of motion

Now since the block will start moving with a velocity of at (Where T is time).
Now using the first equation of motion: v = u + at, (where u = 0)
at = c(t)

Where C is a variable for acceleration of the body.

This implies as

a = c.
Thus the body G has a mass of m and acceleration of c = a.

Hence the force applied on Book H

ma = 2ma2


Where a2 is the acceleration attained by book H


The answer given is 2/3 F please explain all steps clearly,
Thanks
 
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Sqrt said:
Then, F = ma -| From second law of motion
No, this is wrong. The force you are pushing with is not the only force on box G. The force appearing in Newton's second law is the total force on the system.

Think about how the force F must relate to the acceleration of the entire system.

Sqrt said:
please explain all steps clearly,
Nobody here will give you a full solution. We will help you with hints and pointing out the places where you go wrong, but you need to do the work yourself. Also see the homework guidelines.
 
So then,
$$ \rm {F = F_s} $$

$$ F_s = (m + 2m)a = 3ma \\ F_h = 2ma \implies F_h = 2 \frac{F}{3}$$

Is that the way then?

Nobody here will give you a full solution. We will help you with hints and pointing out the places where you go wrong, but you need to do the work yourself. Also see the homework guidelines.

I respect that.

However would you clear one doubt for me? Why do we consider the whole system and not consider $$ \rm{Body G}$$ individually? My idea was that $$ F $$ would affect $$\rm{Body G}$$ which would then push $$\rm{Body H}$$
 
Sqrt said:
So then,
$$ \rm {F = F_s} $$

$$ F_s = (m + 2m)a = 3ma \\ F_h = 2ma \implies F_h = 2 \frac{F}{3}$$

Is that the way then?
Looks good to me.
However would you clear one doubt for me? Why do we consider the whole system and not consider $$ \rm{Body G}$$ individually?
You can approach it this way and it makes a good exercise. If you're going to treat each body separately, make sure you first draw a good free body diagram for each body separately.
 

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