What is the Net Magnetic Field at Point P in Relation to the Center of the Pipe?

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving the net magnetic field at a specific point (Point P) in relation to a long circular pipe carrying a current. The original poster seeks to determine the current needed in a parallel wire to achieve a specific magnetic field condition at Point P, which is influenced by the magnetic field from the pipe.

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  • The original poster attempts to understand the magnetic field at the center of the pipe and questions whether it could be zero. They also express confusion about the relationship between the magnetic fields from the pipe and the wire at Point P.

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Participants are exploring the requirements of the problem and clarifying the original poster's understanding. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to first determine the magnetic field at the center of the pipe before addressing the current needed in the wire. There is an ongoing examination of the assumptions made about the magnetic fields involved.

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There appears to be some confusion regarding the interpretation of the problem statement and the roles of the magnetic fields from both the pipe and the wire. The original poster has edited their question, indicating a shift in their understanding or approach to the problem.

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Different question, same problem.
I edited this post from what I orignially posted it as (in which my issue was that I misread the problem).

In Figure 29-63, a long circular pipe with outside radius R = 2.4 cm carries a (uniformly distributed) current i = 3.40 mA into the page. A wire runs parallel to the pipe at a distance of 3.00R from center to center. Find the magnitude and direction of the current in the wire such that the net magnetic field at point P has the same magnitude as the net magnetic field at the center of the pipe but is in the opposite direction.

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I want to find the net field at the center of the pipe.

By thinking about it and by looking at equations for B (which have R in the denominator), isn't the magnetic field at the center of the pipe due to the pipe zero?

If the field due to the pipe at the center of the pipe is zero, then the wire cannot produce a field at point P that is in the opposite direction than the net field at the center of the pipe.

So the net field at center of the pipe cannot be zero? Or where else could I be wrong?
 
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You didn't do what the problem asked you to do. You found how much current you need in the wire to have equal contributions from wire and pipe at point P.

The problem asks you to
Find the magnitude and direction of the current in the wire such that the net magnetic field at point P has the same magnitude as the net magnetic field at the center of the pipe but is in the opposite direction.
You need to find first how much magnetic field you have at the center of the pipe then figure out how much current you need in the wire to get a field of the same magnitude (as the center) but in the opposite direction. What you did and what you are supposed to do are not the same
 
Well, do I ever feel sheepish.
 
I edited the first post, so that I'm asking a new problem now, because even reading the problem correctly I can't see it properly.
 
I don't know what you changed, but what you are asked to find remains the same. At the center of the pipe you only have the field from the wire. At point P you have the field from the wire and the pipe. My suggestion in posting #2 is unchanged.
 

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