What is the number of confined states in these potential wells?

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The discussion revolves around the number of bound states in different types of potential wells: infinite potential well, semi-infinite potential well, and finite potential well. Participants are exploring the minimum and maximum number of states that can be confined within these systems.

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  • The original poster attempts to determine the minimum and maximum number of bound states for each type of potential well, providing initial guesses and reasoning for the minimum states. Questions are raised about the dependence of maximum states on the potential value and whether a formula exists for that.

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Some participants express concern about the clarity of the problem statement and the need for more precise definitions. The discussion includes attempts to clarify the nature of the potential wells and the conditions under which bound states exist, with no explicit consensus reached on the maximum number of states.

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Participants note that the original poster's understanding of the problem may be incomplete, particularly regarding the definitions of the potential wells and the implications for bound states. There is mention of a transcendental equation plot for determining the minimum number of states in finite and semi-infinite wells.

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Homework Statement
what is is maximum and minimum number of confined states within these potential wells ?
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UL>(pi^2)(hbar^2)/8me , the condition for existence of states in the semi infinite well
hi guys
i came across this question about the maximum and minimum number of bound states that can be confined in these potential wells
1- infinite potential well
2- semi infinite potential well (from one side)
3 - finite potential well
i think i have a good idea about the minimum number of states i guess :
1- the infinite has minimum of 1 state it could always have at least one state
2 - the semi infinite if it were very shallow it could have no states so the min is 0
3 - the finite also always have at least 1 states inside no matter how shallow
is that correct.

and I am not sure what is the maximum in each and shouldn't that be dependent on the exact value of V ,
is there is a formula for that that depend on potential ?
 
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(1) You're surely not writing down the exact problem. "Infinite potential well" could mean many things. Most likely it means 1-dimensional infinite square well, but you shouldn't make us have to guess.

(2) You're not working the problems. You're guessing, and you're asking us if your guess is right.
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
Most likely it means 1-dimensional infinite square well, but you shouldn't make us have to guess.
The answer depends on the dimension.
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
(1) You're surely not writing down the exact problem. "Infinite potential well" could mean many things. Most likely it means 1-dimensional infinite square well, but you shouldn't make us have to guess.
(2) You're not working the problems. You're guessing, and you're asking us if your guess is right.
I am sorry I should had puten more effort in presenting the problem and my attempt, so here we go :
in the following 1D potential wells as described by the figures :
potential.jpg

the question was asking to find the maximum and the minimum number of bound states confined within these systems ?
the minimum number can be obtained by looking at the transcendental equation plot for each system, i am taking about the the last two systems , since the infinite well is infinite i guess there is no max and the min is 1 correct me if I am wrong, now for the two systems:
3361964472_0fbc0e421f.jpg

the left one is for the finite well and it shows an intersection point (represents a solution) no mater how shallow the well is . so the minimum is 1.
the right one shows no intersection up till a condition of $$UL>\frac{\pi^{2}\hbar^{2}}{8m}$$
so the min is 0.
not sure how to get the maximum number of states , is it by counting the total intersection points
or there is another approach ?
 

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