What is the origin and meaning of the word rocket?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the definition and origin of the word "rocket," exploring its meaning and implications in various contexts, including historical and linguistic perspectives. Participants reflect on the characteristics that define a rocket and consider alternative interpretations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that a rocket is a vehicle that carries its own fuel and pushes gas out for propulsion, though there is uncertainty about this definition.
  • Others argue that an oxidizer must be included with the fuel to classify something as a rocket.
  • There is a suggestion that a cannon could also be considered a type of rocket, raising questions about the necessity of oxidation or chemical reactions in the definition.
  • One participant humorously connects the term "rocket" to Neanderthals and their primitive language, suggesting a possible etymological origin related to throwing rocks.
  • Another participant mentions the historical use of the word, noting its first known use in 1530 and its Italian roots, linking it to a small distaff.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on a definitive definition of "rocket," and multiple competing views remain regarding its characteristics and etymology.

Contextual Notes

Some claims rely on historical interpretations and linguistic roots, which may not be universally accepted or verified. The discussion includes speculative connections that are not substantiated by evidence.

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I was wondering if there is an actual definition given by a recognised organisation over what is meant by the word "rocket". In case there is not, I wanted to reflect upon what do we really mean when we say rockets.
 
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Why do you think it might matter?
 
I would say it is a vehicle that carries all of its own fuel, and pushes gas out of its engine for propulsion but I don't really know.
 
I think we need to add the oxidiser to the fuel if we are to say it is a rocket.
 
Bandit127 said:
I think we need to add the oxidiser to the fuel if we are to say it is a rocket.
Why does it have to be oxidation? Why does it have to be a chemical reaction?
 
A.T. said:
Why does it have to be oxidation? Why does it have to be a chemical reaction?

Good point! I suppose a cannon could also act as a rocket.
 
Now *this* is a rocket! :biggrin:

http://www.phys.unt.edu/~klittler/demo_room/mech_demos/WaterRocket.jpg
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Hoophy said:
I suppose a cannon could also act as a rocket.
I'm not sure it fits the definition, but maybe that's where the word "Rocket" came from. I understand that Neanderthals did hunt birds by throwing rocks, and they were in the process of developing a primitive language and grammar. It became a common battle cry when they attacked a flock of birds, "Rock It!" :wink:

https://chasingsabretooths.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/neanderthal-throwing-rock.jpg
neanderthal-throwing-rock.jpg
 
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berkeman said:
I'm not sure it fits the definition, but maybe that's where the word :"Rocket" came from. I understand that Neanderthals did hunt birds by throwing rocks, and they were in the process of developing a primitive language and grammar. It became a common battle cry when they attacked a flock of birds, "Rock It!" :wink:

https://chasingsabretooths.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/neanderthal-throwing-rock.jpg
neanderthal-throwing-rock.jpg

I'm not entirely sure what was going through my mind when I said that, perhaps I was thinking of the cannon ball as the reaction mass and the recoil as the reaction. I could have done better. :)
jtbell said:
Why do you think it might matter?
This is a good question.
 
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The word *rocket* means Wernher von Braun where I'm from... :biggrin:

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Matt-STIPA said:
I was wondering if there is an actual definition given by a recognised organisation over what is meant by the word "rocket". In case there is not, I wanted to reflect upon what do we really mean when we say rockets.
When I was younger we used a thing called a dictionary to answer such questions. Some dictionaries are produced by "recognised organisations". These days you make a few mouse clicks...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocket
 
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First known use was in 1530.
Origin and Etymology of the word Rocket : Italian rocchetta, literally, small distaff, from diminutive of rocca distaff, of Germanic origin; akin to Old High German rocko distaff
Rocket, a firework consisting of a case partly filled with a combustible composition fastened to a guiding stick and propelled through the air by the rearward discharge of the gases liberated by combustion.
 

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