What is the Proper Subspace Hierarchy in a Vector Space with Infinite Subsets?

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The problem involves a collection of proper subspaces of a vector space V, specifically examining the union of these subspaces and whether it remains a proper subspace of V. The original poster attempts to prove that the union of an infinite collection of proper subspaces is still a proper subspace of V.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the implications of defining V as the union of the W's and question whether this leads to a contradiction. The original poster considers using induction and the properties of infinite sets but struggles with demonstrating that the union is a proper subset of V.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the definitions and properties of the vector space V and its subspaces. Some participants suggest that the original poster's approach may not hold universally, while others propose specific counterexamples to challenge the initial claim. The discussion is active with multiple interpretations being considered.

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Participants note the constraints of the problem, including the original definition of V and the properties of the subspaces W_i. The discussion also touches on the limitations of using dimensions and the implications of infinite set theory.

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Homework Statement


Let {W_1,W_2,W_3,...} be a collection of proper subspaces of V (i.e. W_i not=V) such that W_i is a subset of W_(i+1) for all i. Prove that U(W_i) (i from 1 to infinity) is a proper subspace of V

The Attempt at a Solution


I've already proven that U(W_i) is a subspace of V, so I only need to show that U(W_i) not= V. I've used induction but that only proves that W_i (i from 1 to n) is a proper subset of V, not U(W_i) (i from 1 to infinity). How do I show that U(W_i) (i from 1 to infinity) is a proper subset of V? I'm familiar with infinite set theory stuff (axiom of choice, etc...), but I don't know how to use it here. I could not use dimensions to help me because infinity minus a number is still infinity. Should I use the complement subsets of W_i?
 
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Why can't you DEFINE V to be the union of the W's. Doesn't that V meet all of your premises? But the union of the W's now IS V. I don't see how you could prove the union is a proper subspace.
 
V is given. I cannot give it any definition. {W_1,W_2,W_3,...} is defined to be a collection of proper subspaces of V. I can define Y to be the union of the W's, but then I have to show that Y is a proper subset of V.
 
I'm pointing out that Y is a counterexample to what you are trying to prove. So what you are trying to prove can't be true for all V.
 
Or maybe there is something you haven't told us about V. Does it have some sort of completeness property?
 
For a specific counterexample, let V be the vector space of all polynomials. For every n, let Wn be the subspace of all polynomials of degree less than or equal to n. I believe that satisfies the conditions. The union of all such spaces is V itself.
 

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