What is the relationship between hull shape and form drag on sailboats?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between hull shape and form drag on sailboats, particularly focusing on how these factors influence performance during sailing. Participants explore the implications of hull design in relation to the dynamics of sail propulsion, including the effects of heeling and angle of attack.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes the complexity of hull design for sailboats, emphasizing that traditional tests often assume a static hull, which may not apply to the dynamic nature of sail propulsion.
  • Another participant suggests that hulls can be designed to be efficient when heeled over, mentioning the potential for shapes that lengthen the waterline under such conditions.
  • There is a discussion about the importance of maximizing lift/drag ratios at both the air and water interfaces for optimal speed in sailboats.
  • A participant expresses interest in the angle of attack of water flow over the hull and its implications for performance, referencing the "Course Theorem" for further exploration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the relationship between hull shape and performance, with no clear consensus reached. Some agree on the importance of hull symmetry and waterline length, while others introduce competing ideas about design strategies for heeled boats.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in current understanding, particularly regarding the angle of attack and its effects on drag, as well as the need for further experimentation to clarify these relationships.

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This discussion may be of interest to boat designers, sailing enthusiasts, and those studying fluid dynamics in relation to marine engineering.

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I have been around Sailboats all my life. For the last 25 years I have built and raced r/c model sailboats.

My current question, I hope, can be more of a discussion than just a simple question and answer. Since I am into the design of all aspects of boat and sails. I have a question about the hull and form drag. Most tests of this require the hull in a static position with water running around the shape or computer sim. This is fine for a ship or powerboat that have a straight line propulsion system. This cannot be optimal for sail propulsion.

The Sails provide lift and propulsion in a wide angle of directions. This is the reason you would see a sailboat leaning to one side or the other while making headway. The amount of forward propulsion is exceeded by the amount of side force generated by the sail foil. The boat does not sail in an honest straight forward direction. It slips to the side as well as traveling forward. So there cannot be the same optimal hull shape value or calculation of both.

It is easy to see the drag effects or flow, of healing moment, in a static position by just rotating the hull over ten, twenty, or thirty degrees. This still does not satisfy my question. I want to be able to design a mono hull that will have a better performance area in relation to side slip or not sailing true to direction. Its like a car rounding a turn and having the tires lose traction and send the car out of position in relation to direction. This would change the effect of airflow around the car to something less than optimal.

Well, in a sailboat, this is the dominant relationship between direction and actual position of the boat. The water direction and actual hull direction are not in a direct bow to stearn relationship. I hope someone or two can jump in and provide me more insight and clarity. Thanks.
 
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There are a lot of questions raised in the post. So, where do you want to start?

As for hulls that are efficient when heeled over and proceeding with an angle of attack… various approaches to "beating the rules" have long been tried, such as a shape which lengthens the waterline when the boat is heeled over. A fundamental constraint is that the boat needs to be symmetric if it must be equally able to sail on either tack. For multihulls (see: Hobie) it is possible to have hulls which are optimized for their respective tacks. However, the progression of boat design suggests that high aspect keels/foils provide better lift/drag than asymmetric hulls.
 
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Most tests of this require the hull in a static position with water running around the shape or computer sim. This is fine for a ship or powerboat that have a straight line propulsion system. This cannot be optimal for sail propulsion.
For sail craft you want to maximize the two lift/drag ratios at both interfaces: with the air and with the surface. The are both equally important for maximal speed:
http://www.onemetre.net/Design/CourseTheorem/CourseTheorem.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saili...heorem_and_Maximum_speed_course_sailing_angle
 
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Thank you both. @olivermsun, yes, thank you, I am familiar with hull symmetry, length of waterline, etc. I should have stated that its the Angle of Attack of the water flow over the boat.
Mr. A.T. has provided a very nice link to what I was looking for. I guess this exactly what I was looking for as it provides a math foundation to work from. I am not sure what the exact angle of attack of flow over the hull is at this time. I can experiment to find an flow advantages within the "Course Theorem" "The pointing angle or sailing angle, beta b, is equal to the sum of these two drag angles e(H) and e(A). Thank you so much.
 
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