What is the relationship between the equation E^2 - p^2c^2 = m^2c^4

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the equation E² - p²c² = m²c⁴ and the more familiar equation E = mc². Participants explore the derivation of the former equation using definitions related to energy and momentum, particularly in the context of an upcoming physics midterm.

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  • Some participants inquire about the relationship between E² - p²c² = m²c⁴ and E = mc², suggesting that at rest, the momentum is zero, simplifying the equation to E² = m²c⁴.
  • Others express confusion about deriving the equation using definitions such as E = mc²γ and p = mvγ, indicating a need for clarification on the derivation process.
  • A participant provides a step-by-step derivation, starting from the energy equation and manipulating it to arrive at E² - p²c² = m²c⁴, while also suggesting that learning about four-vectors could be beneficial.
  • One participant questions the necessity of deriving the equation from other energy/momentum equations, implying that the derivation may be overly complex.

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Participants generally express confusion about the derivation process, and while some provide insights and steps, there is no consensus on the necessity or clarity of the derivation methods discussed.

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The discussion includes various definitions and assumptions related to energy and momentum, and there are unresolved questions about the clarity and necessity of the derivation steps provided.

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What is the relationship between the equation E^2 - p^2c^2 = m^2c^4 and E = mc^2?
 
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meowchow said:
What is the relationship between the equation E^2 - p^2c^2 = m^2c^4 and E = mc^2?

p^2c^2 is the momentum component. An object at rest has 0 momentum, reducing the above to E^2=m^2c^4. Taking the square root of both sides leaves you with the more familiar equation, describing the relationship between rest mass and energy.
 


I understand that thank you but I was wondering how you derived that formula using definitions like e=mc^2γ and p^t=mcγ and p^x=mvγ...this is on our physics midterm tomorrow and my friends and I don't understand how to use these definitions to derive the equation
 


meowchow said:
I understand that thank you but I was wondering how you derived that formula using definitions like e=mc^2γ and p^t=mcγ and p^x=mvγ...this is on our physics midterm tomorrow and my friends and I don't understand how to use these definitions to derive the equation

Square the energy equation:

E2=m2c4/(1-v2/c2)

Simplify:

E2-E2v2/c2=m2c4

Replace (Ev)2 with (pc2)2:

E2-p2c2=m2c4To get the equation Ev=pc2:

E=γmc2
p=γmv

Eliminate γ & m:

Ev=pc^2**This seems like unnecessary algebra. I don't see why you'd have to derive the above equations from other energy/momentum equations. You should also learn about four-vectors, because the first equation actually comes from the magnitude of the four-momentum.
 


Ohh thank you so much! ^____^
 

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