What is the rotational velocity of the crank?

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a bucket of water that falls into a well, with a rope attached to it wrapped around a crank cylinder. The objective is to determine the rotational velocity of the crank when the bucket reaches the bottom of the well, given specific parameters such as the height of the fall, the radius of the cylinder, and the inertias involved.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss using conservation of energy to relate the potential energy of the bucket to the kinetic energies involved. There are questions about the correctness of previous calculations and the relevance of the crank's rotational kinetic energy.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with some participants suggesting methods to approach the problem while others are questioning the assumptions made and the clarity of the original poster's work. Guidance has been offered regarding the use of symbolic representation in algebraic expressions.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of specific homework constraints, such as avoiding the inclusion of the crank's rotational kinetic energy in the calculations. Additionally, there are concerns about the clarity of shared work through images, which may hinder the discussion.

Lauren Wright
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Homework Statement


You accidentally knock a full bucket of water off the side of the well. The bucket plunges 13 m to the bottom of the well. Attached to the bucket is a light rope that is wrapped around the crank cylinder. The cylinder has a radius of 0.085 m and inertia of 4.0 kg. The inertia of the bucket plus water is 12 kg.
How fast is the handle turning when the bucket hits the bottom?
the answer should be in terms of Wv (unit s^-1)

Homework Equations


V(omega)=s/r (where s is distance traveled around circle and r is radius)
Wv(rotational velocity)=(change in V)/(change it time)
Wv=(Vt (tangential velocity))/r
Ac (centripetal acceleration)=(V^2)/r
Ug(gravitational potential energy)=mgh (where h is change in height)
K=1/2(I)(Wv)^2
I=(mR^2)/2 (where R is radius and I is the rotational inertia of a cylinder)
*there could be more but I think I covered everything

The Attempt at a Solution


https://goo.gl/ILj9hk <----- url for a picture of my work, ignore bottom page, it is for a different problem
I know the answer is not 8.14 s^-1, which is what I originally got[/B]
 
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Lauren, you say that you know your answer is wrong; so, do you know the correct answer?
 
You should be able to solve this using conservation of energy.
Initially, you have potential energy only.
Finally, you have the kinetic energy of the linear motion of the bucket and water plus
the rotational kinetic energy of the cylinder.
Apparently you are not asked to consider the rotational KE of the crank.
 
Lauren Wright said:
url for a picture of my work,
Too hard to read. Please do not post images of your algebra. Only use images for extracts from textbooks and diagrams. Take the trouble to type your algebra into the post. That makes it much easier to read and easier to comment on specific items.
Also, avoid plugging in numbers until the final step. Keeping everything symbolic (creating variable names as necessary for given data) has many advantages.
 

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