What is the Science Behind Temperature Control Fabric?

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The discussion centers around the science behind a temperature control fabric that can regulate heat transfer depending on environmental conditions. Participants explore the material's structure, including its layers and properties, and the mechanisms by which it interacts with infrared radiation and heat transfer.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants describe the fabric's structure, noting its four layers, including polyethylene, carbon black, and copper, and their roles in heat transfer.
  • Questions arise regarding the interaction between the copper and carbon layers, particularly whether the copper reflects infrared radiation emitted by the carbon and how this affects absorption.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of direct contact between the copper and carbon layers for heat transfer, considering both conduction and radiation.
  • One participant suggests that the optical properties at the interface of the carbon and copper layers may alter their interaction with infrared radiation.
  • Another participant proposes that fluorescent transfer might occur at the interface, where absorbed infrared photons are re-emitted at lower energy.
  • Mathematical calculations regarding the thermal conductivity of the material are presented, with one participant estimating it at 11,000 watts per Kelvin, leading to further inquiries about temperature dependence and radiant conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the interaction between the copper and carbon layers, with no consensus on how these interactions affect heat transfer. Multiple viewpoints on the mechanisms at play remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in understanding the specific interactions between layers, the assumptions made about heat transfer mechanisms, and the dependence on temperature conditions for their calculations.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying materials science, thermal dynamics, or anyone involved in the development of advanced fabrics for temperature regulation.

BillTre
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This article in Science mag news is about a fabric that can,
  • let more heat (via IR) out in hot weather, or
  • flipped over, keep more heat in the cold
Here is the Science article (not free).

The fabric also let's gasses and humidity pass through because it has nano-pores.
It has 4 layers: 2 outside layers of polyethylene and 2 thin layers of carbon black and copper.

• outside when cold
PE layer 1: IR clear, 24 µm thick
carbon black: absorbs and emits IR
copper: weakly absorbs and emits IR, reflecting?
PE layer 2: IR clear, 12 µm thick
• out side when hot

The copper and carbon layers are in contact, but distinct layers.

What I don't understand:
If the copper is reflecting the IR re-emitted by the carbon layer (as news article says), why is not the IR being absorbed by the carbon blocked to the same extent?
Does the closeness of the carbon layer to the copper matter?
Are there wavelength differences in what's absorbed and emitted by the carbon, that could interact with copper differently?
 
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BillTre said:
If the copper is reflecting the IR re-emitted by the carbon layer (as news article says), why is not the IR being absorbed by the carbon blocked to the same extent?
Is the copper in contact, or does a gap exist?
 
Bystander said:
Is the copper in contact, or does a gap exist?
There is not a gap.
The copper is sputter coated onto a layer of carbon that was dried down onto one of the PE layers.
 
What does direct contact imply for/about heat transfer/transport? Radiation? Or conduction?
 
Bystander said:
What does direct contact imply for/about heat transfer/transport? Radiation? Or conduction?

Contact between the copper and carbon layers implies heat conduction (vibrating molecules causing neighboring molecules to vibrate more) could occur, however, the article focuses almost exclusively on IR (InfraRed) radiation, how it penetrates the materials and is absorbed and emitted.
The copper layer's action is discussed as a reflector.

I can see a few ways contact between the carbon and black layers could have an effect:
  • The optical interface between the carbon and copper layers gets different optical properties from the juxtaposition of the two layers due to their different optical properties (such as optical density). The layers together may act as a one-way mirror.
  • There is something like fluorescent transfer going on at the interface between the carbon and the copper. The carbon absorbs an IR photon and then readmits it (like a fluorescent molecule). Presumably the emitted photo would be lower energy and thus longer wavelength. The carbon emitter of the IR photon might instead undergo an energy transfer to the copper. This would not involve most of the material in the carbon layer (9 µm thick) from interacting in this way because most of the atoms would be too far away.
  • The geometry of the closeness of the carbon emitter of IR photons to the copper layer night result in more photons interacting with the copper at angles more likely to result in a reflection instead of refraction (have not fully thought this one through).
 
... and, the temperature dependence at "ambient" conditions? T4 = what?
 
Has anyone else done the maths on the thermal conductivity for this material?
I came up with 11,000 watts per Kelvin.

After that, my head started exploding.

Bystander said:
... and, the temperature dependence at "ambient" conditions? T^4 = what?

This is what I came up with:

Code:
radiant            net W/m^2   conditions   
too cold            119.0       50 °F amb
just right           51.0       72 °F amb
too hot              47.0      100 °F amb
external body temp              90 °F
 

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