What is the significance of enthalpy in constant pressure systems?

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The discussion centers on the significance of enthalpy in constant pressure systems, exploring its definition, relationship to internal energy, and its role in thermodynamic processes. Participants examine the implications of enthalpy in both chemistry and physics contexts, as well as its relevance in various scenarios involving heat and work.

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  • One participant explains the relationship between work done by a gas in an isobaric process and the definition of enthalpy, highlighting the equation ΔH = ΔU + Δ(pV).
  • Another participant notes that while chemists often use enthalpy as the energy of the system, the pV term represents energy stored in the surroundings rather than the system itself.
  • A question is raised about the importance of enthalpy compared to heat, suggesting that enthalpy is a state function while heat is a process function, with implications for constant versus variable pressure scenarios.
  • One participant emphasizes that enthalpy serves to generalize descriptions across various situations, rather than focusing on specific cases.
  • Another participant reiterates that enthalpy can be viewed as the total energy of a system, combining internal energy and the work associated with pressure and volume.

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Participants express differing views on the relationship between enthalpy and heat, particularly in contexts where pressure is not constant. There is no consensus on the significance of enthalpy versus heat in various scenarios, indicating ongoing debate.

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Participants discuss the implications of enthalpy in both chemistry and physics, but the conversation does not resolve the complexities surrounding its definition and application in different contexts.

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The pV term may be understood by the following example of an isobaric process. Consider gas changing its volume (by, for example, a chemical reaction) in a cylinder, pushing a piston, maintaining constant pressure p. The force is calculated from the area A of the piston and definition of pressure p = F/A: the force is F = pA. By definition, work W done is W = Fx, where x is the distance traversed. Combining gives W = pAx, and the product Ax is the volume traversed by the piston: Ax = V. Thus, the work done by the gas is W = pV, where p is a constant pressure and V the expansion of volume. Including this pV term means that during constant pressure expansion, any internal energy forfeited as work on the environment does not affect the value of enthalpy. The enthalpy change can be defined ΔH = ΔU + W = ΔU + Δ(pV), where ΔU is the thermal energy lost to expansion, and W the energy gained due to work done on the piston.


Difference between enthalpy and internal energy

Chemists routinely use H as the energy of the system, but the pV term is not stored in the system, but rather in the surroundings, such as the atmosphere. When a system, for example, n moles of a gas of volume V at pressure P and temperature T, is created or brought to its present state from absolute zero, energy must be supplied equal to its internal energy U plus pV, where pV is the work done in pushing against the ambient (atmospheric) pressure. This additional energy is therefore stored in the surroundings and can be recovered when the system collapses back to its initial state. In basic chemistry scientists are typically interested in experiments conducted at atmospheric pressure, and for reaction energy calculations they care about the total energy in such conditions, and therefore typically need to use H. In basic physics and thermodynamics it may be more interesting to study the internal properties of the system and therefore the internal energy is used.

So in a constant pressure system if u = q + pv and h = u - pv that means h = q then what's the importance of enthalpy. Why do they say the enthalpy of the reaction is blah blah instead of the heat released or absorbed is blah blah.
 
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Why do they say the enthalpy of the reaction is blah blah instead of the heat released or absorbed is blah blah.

Because enthalpy is a function of state and heat a process function. In case of constant pressure the change of enthalpy is equal to the heat but as soon as the pressure is not constant the values my be different. The change of enthalpy depends on the initial and final state of the system only but heat depends on the path between these states.
 
Yep - enthalpy is general.
Remember, the idea is not just to describe specific situations but to come up with something that describes many situations in one go.
 
enthalpy is the total energy of a body of certain volume V, with pressure P on the object to make a room for itself in the surrounding and the work required is PV. So total energy comes out to be U+PV , which is enthalpy (H), and U internal energy.
 

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