What is the significance of the dispersion relation?

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The discussion centers around the physical significance of the dispersion relation, particularly in the context of free electrons in vacuum and light. Participants explore how the dispersion relation relates energy and momentum, and what implications this has for understanding wave behavior in different systems, including solids and semiconductors.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses curiosity about the significance of the dispersion relation, noting the quadratic relationship for electrons in vacuum and questioning its practical implications.
  • Another participant explains that the dispersion relation informs how wave packets behave, specifically how they move with group velocity, and provides a mathematical expression for this velocity.
  • A later reply confirms the derived expression for group velocity aligns with the velocity of a free particle, suggesting a familiar relationship.
  • Another participant inquires about the implications of an E-k diagram obtained from solving the Schrödinger equation for an electron in a solid, asking if it merely indicates changes in velocity or if there is deeper insight.
  • One participant suggests that understanding the dispersion relation is crucial for addressing conservation laws in processes like the absorption and emission of light, particularly in semiconductor physics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of the dispersion relation for understanding wave behavior, but there are multiple competing views regarding its implications and applications, particularly in different physical contexts.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the nature of wave packets and their behavior in different media remain unaddressed, and the discussion does not resolve the complexities of E-k diagrams or their interpretations in solid-state physics.

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what is the significance of the dispersion relation?
hi guys
i would like to know what is the physical significance of the dispersion relation , i know that it relates the energy and momentum vector and correspondingly the energy and momentum with each other , but what does this tell me about the system , and why should i care that the dispersion relation for free electrons in vacuum is given by
$$E=\frac{\hbar^{2}k^{2}}{2m}$$
and for light just ##\omega=ck## , it seems that the electron's energy in vacuum is quadratic in the momentum but what do i gain by knowing that ??
i have too many questions , i will appreciate any help ,thanks .
 
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It tells you how the wave function behaves. Particularly it tells you that a wave packet, which is not too broad in momentum space moves with the group velocity ##\vec{v}_g=\vec{\nabla}_k \omega(\vec{k})##. What do you get for the dispersion relations you mentioned?
 
vanhees71 said:
It tells you how the wave function behaves. Particularly it tells you that a wave packet, which is not too broad in momentum space moves with the group velocity ##\vec{v}_g=\vec{\nabla}_k \omega(\vec{k})##. What do you get for the dispersion relations you mentioned?
since $$\omega(k) = \frac{\hbar*k^{2}}{2m} \;⇒ $$
$$
\left(\frac{\partial}{\partial\;k_{x}}\hat{k_{x}}+\frac{\partial}{\partial\;k_{y}}\hat{k_{y}}+\frac{\partial}{\partial\;k_{z}}\hat{k_{z}}\right)\left[\omega(\vec{k}) \right]= \left(\frac{\partial}{\partial\;k_{x}}\hat{k_{x}}+\frac{\partial}{\partial\;k_{y}}\hat{k_{y}}+\frac{\partial}{\partial\;k_{z}}\hat{k_{z}}\right)\left[\frac{\hbar*\vec{k}.\vec{k}}{2m}\right]
$$
$$\vec{v}_{g} = \frac{\hbar}{m}\left[k_{x}\hat{k_{x}}+k_{y}\hat{k_{y}}+k_{z}\hat{k_{z}}\right]$$
isn't that right
 
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Yes, and that looks pretty familiar for the velocity of a free particle, because what you got is
$$\vec{v}_g=\hbar \vec{k}/m=\vec{p}/m.$$
 
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so the dispersion relation is useful for determining the group velocity of the wave packet inside a medium , i am sorry i have another question , considering an electron moving inside a solid , after solving the Schrödinger equation ,say the following E,k diagram is obtained
gan_bands.jpg

is that complicated diagram just indicate that the electron wave packet is changing its velocity inside the lattice or is there more insight to it
 
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Summary:: what is the significance of the dispersion relation?

hi guys
i would like to know what is the physical significance of the dispersion relation , i know that it relates the energy and momentum vector and correspondingly the energy and momentum with each other , but what does this tell me about the system , and why should i care that the dispersion relation for free electrons in vacuum is given by
$$E=\frac{\hbar^{2}k^{2}}{2m}$$
and for light just ##\omega=ck## , it seems that the electron's energy in vacuum is quadratic in the momentum but what do i gain by knowing that ??
i have too many questions , i will appreciate any help ,thanks .

Well, one thing that could come to mind is "How can I obey both conservation of energy and conservation of momentum for the absorption and emission of light"? This question is highly relevant in semiconductor physics.
 
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