What is the Spacetime Metric and its Describing Equations in Layman's Terms?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the concept of the spacetime metric and its describing equations, with a focus on making the explanations accessible to laypersons. Participants explore related concepts such as tensors and manifolds, while addressing the complexities involved in understanding these topics within the context of physics and mathematics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants define a metric as a way to measure distances in a space, drawing parallels to the Pythagorean theorem in 2D space.
  • Others express the need for a deeper understanding of the theory behind spacetime metrics, mentioning concepts like quantum foam.
  • Questions arise regarding the definitions of tensors and manifolds, with one participant providing a technical definition of a manifold.
  • A participant suggests that without knowledge of higher mathematics, the answers to these questions may not be meaningful.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the term "distance" may be misleading when describing what the metric measures, cautioning against the implications of motion through spacetime.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the terminology used, distinguishing between "metric" and "metric tensor," with a note that Minkowski space refers to a metric tensor rather than a metric itself.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and agreement on the definitions and implications of the spacetime metric, tensors, and manifolds. There is no consensus on the best way to explain these concepts to laypersons, and multiple competing views remain on the terminology and its interpretations.

Contextual Notes

Some participants acknowledge the limitations of their explanations based on the audience's mathematical background, indicating that the discussion may not fully address the complexities of the topics involved.

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I'm a layman here, so please put any answers in terms that a layman can understand. You can use calculus though :)

What is the spacetime metric, and what are the equations describing it?
 
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A metric is simply a definition on how distances are measured in a space.
 
I know that, like the pythagorean theorem in 2D space, but what is the theory behing the metric of the spacetime, like quantum foam and whatnot.
 
And a manifold, what's that?

So many questions!
 
Well, as to post #4, there are a couple of threads in this very forum (probably with the same or similar words as its title).
 
The answers to these questions you pose will not mean anything to you if you don't know any higher maths. Sorry to be blunt but its true. If there are any more specific questions feel free to ask, but these are far too broad to give you a meaningful answer.
 
I know calculus, like I said...?
 
Are you reading something in particular and trying to understand it? I can give you a definition of a manifold, but I doubt it'll be of much use to you:
A set of points M is defined to be a manifold if each point in M has an open neighbourhood which has a continuous one-to-one map onto an open set of Rn for some n
 
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Intuitively (over-simplified of course), a manifold is a generalization of a surface, i.e. a higher dimensional "surface", but it need not be sitting inside some even higher dimensional R^n.

How much of Calculus do you know?
 
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delta001 said:
I'm a layman here, so please put any answers in terms that a layman can understand. You can use calculus though :)

What is the spacetime metric, and what are the equations describing it?
The metric is a function which maps two vectors to a scalar. If the two vectors are a displacement (then the vectors are identical) and the scalar has the value of the spacetime interval. In Euclidean geometry this would be called the "distance" between two points. The distance between two points on a manifold is given by

ds^2 = \eta_{\alpha\beta} dx^{\alpha} dx^{\beta}

The \eta_{\alpha\beta} are the components of the metric. In geometrical notaton this is given by

ds^2 = \eta(dV,dV) where dV is a displacement vector.

For more information please see my website at
http://www.geocities.com/physics_world/gr_math/geo_tensor.htm
http://www.geocities.com/physics_world/ma/intro_tensor.htm


The spacetime metric also defines the scalar product between two vectors A and B as

A*B = \eta(A,B)

The general expression is

A*B = g(A,B)

which holds in all coordinate systems, not just in Lorentzian coordinates which the \eta denotes

Best wishes

Pete
 
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MeJennifer said:
A metric is simply a definition on how distances are measured in a space.
This is my own personal opinion so please feel free to ignore it: In my opinion the term distance shouldn't be used to describe what the metric measures. If people use this definition then they are likely to use notions like "moving through spacetime". The idea of motion may give the reader the wrong idea of something down the road.

Best wishes

Pete
 
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delta001 said:
I'm a layman here, so please put any answers in terms that a layman can understand. You can use calculus though :)

What is the spacetime metric, and what are the equations describing it?
For your information, there are two senses in which the word "metric" is used. MeJennifer described one usage, and pmb_phy described the other. (Which, technically, is a "metric tensor", although it's typical to simply call it a "metric")

Minkowski space doesn't have a metric; just a metric tensor.
 

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