What is the speed of block as it reaches O from point P

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The problem involves a 0.5 kg block sliding down an inclined plane and also considers the scenario of the block being dropped vertically from the same height. The vertical distance from point P to point O is 2 m, and the gravitational acceleration is given as 10 m/s². The original poster is trying to determine the velocity of the block if it were to be dropped from point P to point O.

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Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the potential energy and kinetic energy involved in the problem, with the original poster calculating the potential energy at the top and kinetic energy at the bottom of the incline. There are questions about the relevance of the inclined plane scenario and whether it complicates the understanding of the vertical drop. Some participants suggest that the problem may not provide enough information about friction or the angle of the incline.

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Participants are exploring different interpretations of the problem, particularly regarding the relationship between the sliding block and the block dropped vertically. Some guidance has been offered regarding the equations of motion that do not require time, and calculations have been attempted to find the velocity of the block when dropped. However, there is no explicit consensus on the implications of the inclined plane scenario.

Contextual Notes

The problem does not specify whether friction is present on the inclined plane, which affects the relationship between the two scenarios being discussed. Additionally, there is a mention of a similar scenario on the moon with different gravitational acceleration, prompting further discussion on how this would affect the final velocity.

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Homework Statement


A 0.5 Kg block slides from rest down an inclined plane as shown in the figure. The velocity at the bottom of the plane is 6 m/s. The vertical distance PO is 2m.
(gravity = 10m/s2

If the block were to be dropped from P, what would be the velocity at O?

Homework Equations


K.E= (m*v2)/2
P.E= mgh
s= ut + 1/2at2

The Attempt at a Solution


Hi so I figured out the Potential energy at the top which is 10J, and the Kinetic energy at the bottom which is 9J.

I don't know if this will come into play.

I notice that the height is 2 m so I had the speed of when it was falling from P to O i could then calculate everything.

But I don't have the speed, I only have the acceleration due to gravity which is 10 m/s2 so from here I'm trying to figure out the time it would take to fall, then I could simply use : (v2-v1)/t

But the problem is I don't have t... I'm trying really hard to figure this out.

I saw I could rearrange the formula for distance in my relevant equations but it seems a bit complicated to single out t from that one, involving completing the square or quadratics, and I honestly truly believe at the level I'm doing (O levels in the Caribbean) they don't want that yet, all I know is that my initial speed is 0 m/s, my distance 2m and my accerleration 10 m/s2

Would someone be so kind to help me?
 

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Richie Smash said:
A 0.5 Kg block slides from rest down an inclined plane as shown in the figure
As shown in which figure?:wink:
 
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Richie Smash said:
If the block were to be dropped from P, what would be the velocity at O?
Looks like O is directly below P. Is the whole inclined plane scenario simply an obfuscation?
 
I am not sure if it is an obfuscation, it is from a question from a past practice examination I'm doing... I just am not sure how to calculate the speed of the block if it was dropped from O to P, like I'm pretty sure they mean if it just fell without anything underneath it. They gave the speed of it sliding down the block so I could calculate the kinetic energy at the bottom which was the first part of the question.
 
As given, the problem did not mention if friction acted on the plane, or the angle of the plane. So you have no way to relate the velocity of the sliding block at the bottom of the plane to a block that simply drops vertically without friction. Seems to me that you can only assume that they want the velocity of an object that free-falls vertically from 2 m.
 
Richie Smash said:
I just am not sure how to calculate the speed of the block if it was dropped from O to P

Revise the equations of motion, there is one that doesn't need t.
 
Richie Smash said:
I just am not sure how to calculate the speed of the block if it was dropped from O to P

Revise the equations of motion, there is one that doesn't need t.
 
Hi this would be V2=V02+2as

So I would get : V2= (0)2+2(10)(2)
V2= 40
V = √40
V=6.32 m/s
 
Richie Smash said:
Hi this would be V2=V02+2as

So I would get : V2= (0)2+2(10)(2)
V2= 40
V = √40
V=6.32 m/s
Yes.
Are there more parts to the question? Maybe one part is to find the coefficient of friction.
 
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haruspex said:
Maybe one part is to find the coefficient of friction.
I do not believe there is friction. I think the point of the problem is to compare slide down on a frictionless incline with a straight drop in the absence of air resistance.
 
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haruspex said:
Yes.
Are there more parts to the question? Maybe one part is to find the coefficient of friction.
Unfortunately no, the only other part of the question says the same thing happens where the block is dropped from P to O except on the moon which has a (g) of 2m/s2 and explain whether the velocity at O would be greater or lesser than the value obtained for on earth, which of course it would be lesser because the smaller the acceleration according to the formula V2= V02+2as reducing acceleration will clearly reduce it's final velocity.
 

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