What is the summation of this partial sequence?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the summation of a specific series involving terms of the form \( \frac{2^n}{n+4} \). Participants explore various approaches, including the use of Taylor series and integral relations, while questioning the applicability of certain mathematical tools.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss removing terms from the series and consider the Taylor expansion of logarithmic functions. There is an emphasis on understanding the limits of summation and the implications of changing indices. Some participants suggest writing out terms for small values of \( N \) to gain insight into the series behavior.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with various participants providing hints and alternative perspectives. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of integrals for summation, but the main problem remains unresolved, with participants expressing uncertainty about the direction of their approaches.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of the problem, with one expressing surprise that it was assigned as homework. There are concerns about the convergence of series and the distinction between finite and infinite sums, which are central to the discussion.

Amaelle
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Homework Statement
look at the image
Relevant Equations
Sommation
taylor series
Greetings!
I want to caluculate the summation of this following serie
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I started by removing the 4 by
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and then

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and I thought of the taylor expansion of
Log(1-x)=-∑xn/n but as the 2 is not inside (-1,1) I couldn´t use it
any hint?
thank you!
Best !
 
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Amaelle said:
I started by removing the 4
That is derailing spectacularly ! Write down a few terms of the one and the other and see that the two are very different !
Also: renaming an index (##n## here) works better if you use a different symbol (e.g. use ##k = n+4##) and that changes the summation limits to:
##n=0,\quad k = n +4 \Rightarrow ## lower limit is ##k = 4##
##n=N,\quad k = n+4 \Rightarrow ## upper limit is ##k = N+4##

And in the numerator you have ##n=k-4## so the exponent is not ##k## but ##k-4##

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Amaelle said:
Homework Statement:: look at the image
Relevant Equations:: Sommation
taylor series

Greetings!
I want to caluculate the summation of this following serie
View attachment 297263
I started by removing the 4 by
View attachment 297264
and then

View attachment 297265
and I thought of the taylor expansion of
Log(1-x)=-∑xn/n but as the 2 is not inside (-1,1) I couldn´t use it
any hint?
thank you!
Best !
you are right thank you
and then? the main problem remain unsolved?
 
If you have already studied calculus, you may make use of the relation
\int_{-\infty}^1 2^{mt} dt = [\frac{2^{mt}}{m \ln 2}]_{-\infty}^1=\frac{1}{\ln 2}\frac{2^m}{m}
for easy summation.
 
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anuttarasammyak said:
If you have already studied calculus, you may make use of the relation
\int_{-\infty}^1 2^{mt} dt = [\frac{2^{mt}}{m \ln 2}]_{-\infty}^1=\frac{1}{\ln 2}\frac{2^m}{m}
for easy summation.
thank you!
 
Amaelle said:
the main problem remain unsolved
Haha, if you're starting in the wrong direction it won't be solved anyway :smile:

I don't have all the answers but a modest beginning might come about by writing down a bunch of terms for a low value of ##N## ...

Amaelle said:
Homework Statement:: look at the image
Relevant Equations:: Sommation
taylor series

I want to caluculate
So the actual homework statement is
Homework Statement:: 'Calculate (or: find a compact expression for) ##\quad \displaystyle \sum_{n=0}^N \ {2^n\over n+4}\quad ## '

[edit] Ah, we have another contributor !

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BvU said:
Haha, if you're starting in the wrong direction it won't be solved anyway :smile:

I don't have all the answers but a modest beginning might come about by writing down a bunch of terms for a low value of ##N## ...Indeed, that was a huge contribution! I can do this kind of deadly mistakes during exams, thanks a million for point it out!
 
I doubt you will see this problem on an exam. The solution is rather difficult resulting in a complex valued function involving the Lerch transcendent. I'm surprised that it was issued as a homework problem (that's just mean).
 
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Fred Wright said:
I doubt you will see this problem on an exam. The solution is rather difficult resulting in a complex valued function involving the Lerch transcendent. I'm surprised that it was issued as a homework problem (that's just mean).
Indeed, my instructor said he can asked it in the exam, so I tried to solved it, :)
 
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Amaelle said:
I thought of the taylor expansion of
Log(1-x)=-∑xn/n but as the 2 is not inside (-1,1) I couldn´t use it
Besides convergence of the Taylor series, you're trying to calculate a finite sum whereas the Taylor series is an infinite sum.

Here's a hint:
$$\sum_{k=4}^{N+4} \frac{x^k}{k} = \sum_{k=4}^{N+4} \int x^{k-1}\,dx$$ Remember that you're evaluating a finite sum, so the problem actually isn't too bad.
 
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