What is the Surjectivity of the Function f: Z^2 \rightarrow Z, f((n,m))=nm?

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The discussion revolves around the surjectivity of the function f: Z^2 → Z, defined by f((n,m)) = nm. Participants are exploring whether every integer z in the codomain can be expressed as the product of two integers n and m from the domain.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants are questioning the validity of assuming z can be expressed as nm and discussing the implications of this assumption. There is a focus on finding pairs (n, m) that satisfy the equation for any given z.

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The conversation is active, with participants providing different perspectives on how to approach the problem. Some suggest simpler ways to express the relationship between z and the variables n and m, while others seek clarification on the assumptions being made.

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There is an underlying assumption that any integer z can be factored into a product of two integers, which is being debated. Participants are also navigating the constraints of the problem as a homework assignment.

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Homework Statement



I'm trying to show that the function below is surjective

[tex]f: Z^2 \rightarrow Z, f((n,m))=nm[/tex]

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The Attempt at a Solution



1. Suppose [tex]z\in Z[/tex].

2. Then [tex]z=nm[/tex].

3. So [tex]n=\frac{z}{m}[/tex] and [tex]m=\frac{z}{n}[/tex]

4. So [tex]f((n,m))=\frac{z^2}{mn}=\frac{n^2m^2}{mn}=nm=z[/tex]

I'm mostly wondering about step 2... Am I allowed to assume that? (z=nm?)
 
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Why are you solving for z? Why not just use the fact that f(m, n) = mn = z?
 
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Why are you solving for z? Why not just use the fact that f(m, n) = mn = z?

Right.. but what's the (n, m) in that case?

I'm trying to prove that for any arbitrary z in the codomain, there exists some (n, m) in the domain that satisfies the function. I'm trying to find (n, m) in terms of z.

Sorry if I didn't get your point.
 
I meant solving for n and m in terms of z in my previous post.
If you know that f(a, b) = ab and you know that z = mn then you have f(m, n) = z. You don't need it more complicated than that.

And you can assume that there's always a factorization z=mn, just choose z = 1*z.
 
Uhh, Given any integer z, aren't both (z,1) and (1,z) mapped into z? Isn't that enough?
 

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