What is the time and velocity of a falling helicopter wheel?

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The discussion revolves around a physics assignment involving the vertical motion of a helicopter wheel that drops from a height while the helicopter is ascending. Participants explore the calculations needed to determine the time it takes for the wheel to reach the ground and its impact velocity, focusing on initial conditions and kinematic equations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states the initial velocity of the wheel is 14.7 m/s, the same as the helicopter's ascent speed when the wheel drops.
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about finding the time it takes for the wheel to reach the ground, given the initial conditions of the problem.
  • There is a discussion about whether the displacement (s) should be negative, with some participants suggesting that since the wheel travels downwards, it should be treated as a negative value.
  • One participant mentions needing to use a specific kinematic equation but does not specify which one, indicating a lack of clarity on the equations of motion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the initial conditions of the problem, but there is uncertainty regarding the correct application of kinematic equations and the treatment of displacement as negative. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific calculations needed.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved how to apply the kinematic equations to find the time and velocity, and there are missing steps in the mathematical reasoning that have not been clarified.

Who May Find This Useful

Students working on problems related to vertical motion in physics, particularly those involving kinematics and free fall scenarios.

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i got an assignment for physics and my class hasn't done a lot of vertical motion yet, it sounds like a pretty traight forward question but I am battling.

A helicopter is rising vertically with a velocity of 14.7m/s when its wheel drops off at a height of 49m

i) calculate the time for the wheel to reach the ground

ii) what is the velocity of the wheel on impact with the ground

im guessing when i find the time the velocity will be easy to find, the main thing I am struggling to deal with, is the initial velocity 14.7m/s?
 
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Hi Elviklemon! Welcome to PF! :wink:
Elviklemon said:
… is the initial velocity 14.7m/s?

That's right! :smile:

Since it isn't pushed (it only "drops off"), its velocity will be the same as that of the helicopter.​
 
but in that case i have
u = 14.7m/s
s = 49m
a = -9.8m/s^-2

i can't find an equation that will find the time?
 
Hi Elviklemon! :smile:

(try using the X2 icon just above the Reply box :wink:)
Elviklemon said:
but in that case i have
u = 14.7m/s
s = 49m
a = -9.8m/s^-2

i can't find an equation that will find the time?

Learn by heart all the standard https://www.physicsforums.com/library.php?do=view_item&itemid=204" equations …

you need one beginning s = … :wink:
 
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i don't know how to use the x^2 thing sorry :P ,

would the S = a negative number? because it can only travel downwards?
 
Elviklemon said:
would the S = a negative number?

if a is negative, then s = -49
 
Thanks heaps mate, i think I've figured her out, now i just have 4 momentum questions to go before i hand it into my teacher in 2 days time :/

(and its great to be here at PF ;) )
 

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