What is the value of an irrational infinite sum with a unique pattern?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the evaluation of an infinite sum involving nested square roots, specifically the expressions \(\sqrt{a}+\sqrt{a+\sqrt{a}}+\sqrt{a+\sqrt{a+\sqrt{a}}}+...\) and \(\sqrt{a}+\sqrt{a-\sqrt{a}}+\sqrt{a-\sqrt{a-\sqrt{a}}}+...\) for \(a > 0\). Participants explore whether these sums converge or diverge and the implications of different values of \(a\).

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses curiosity about the sum \(\sqrt{a}+\sqrt{a+\sqrt{a}}+\sqrt{a+\sqrt{a+\sqrt{a}}}+...\) and notes that it does not follow a standard pattern like arithmetic or geometric progressions.
  • Another participant suggests experimenting with specific values of \(a\) to observe the behavior of the sum.
  • A participant shares their experience with \(a=2\) and concludes that the sum does not yield a straightforward result, realizing it is not a geometric sum.
  • One participant challenges the correctness of the original expression, stating that the sum diverges for all \(a\) except zero, while noting that individual terms converge to \((1+\sqrt{1+4a})/2\).
  • After acknowledging the divergence, the original poster modifies the question to focus on the sum \(\sqrt{a}+\sqrt{a-\sqrt{a}}+\sqrt{a-\sqrt{a-\sqrt{a}}}+...\) for \(a>1\).
  • Another participant asserts that this modified sum still diverges, with terms converging at \((-1+\sqrt{1+4a})/2\).
  • A participant expresses frustration at being unable to construct a converging problem that meets their criteria of an infinite sum with nested surds.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the original sum diverges, but there is disagreement regarding the convergence of the modified sum and the behavior of individual terms. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the construction of a converging infinite sum with the specified characteristics.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of consensus on the convergence of the modified sum and the dependence on the specific values of \(a\). The discussion does not resolve the mathematical steps involved in determining convergence or divergence.

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I'm curious to answer (or at least reasonably understand) what the answer to:

[tex]\sqrt{a}+\sqrt{a+\sqrt{a}}+\sqrt{a+\sqrt{a+\sqrt{a}}}+...[/tex]

might be, where a>0.

It doesn't follow any ordinary pattern, such as an arithmetic or geometric progression. Also, if there is for any reason an easily derivable answer only for certain values of 'a', then that would also be interesting to hear.

edit: This problem diverges as hamster143 has noticed.
Instead, [tex]\sqrt{a}+\sqrt{a-\sqrt{a}}+\sqrt{a-\sqrt{a-\sqrt{a}}}+...[/tex] where a>1
 
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Have you experimented with it at all?

For example, looked at the first few terms for a chosen value of a?
 
Yes I basically stared at the problem for a=2 and came up wth absolutely nothing. This is where I realized it's not a geometric sum.

The problem arose from when I was solving [tex]\sqrt{a+\sqrt{a+\sqrt{a}}}...[/tex] and thought if I could expand it to this new problem. However, I'm out of luck.
 
Are you sure you got the expression right? As stated in your post, the sum diverges for all a except zero. Individual terms converge at [tex](1+\sqrt{1+4a})/2[/tex].
 
Oh it diverges, thanks for spotting that. A big wasted effort that was...

I think I'll change the question to:

[tex]\sqrt{a}+\sqrt{a-\sqrt{a}}+\sqrt{a-\sqrt{a-\sqrt{a}}}+...[/tex], a>1
 
That still diverges, terms converge at [tex](-1+\sqrt{1+4a})/2[/tex].
 
How frustrating. I can't even construct a problem that converges with the simple criteria that it be an infinite sum and the nth term having n nested surds among it.

I'll come back when I have a legitimate question.
 

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