What is the Value of W in the Definite Integral Definition?

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The value of W in the definite integral definition was debated, with one participant claiming the answer is 0.93 while the correct answer is 0.24. The discussion highlighted the importance of understanding that the definite integral represents the signed area under the curve, not merely the area itself. Participants emphasized the need to consider negative values when calculating definite integrals, as the integral can yield a negative result if the function is below the x-axis. The fundamental theorem of calculus was referenced to clarify that the definite integral is determined by the values of the anti-derivative at the bounds, regardless of the sign.

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Homework Statement



The letter W is defined as
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. The value of W, correct to the nearest hundredth, is?

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Now, I had this question on a test and got it wrong. I get 0.93, which I think is correct. Apparently the answer is 0.24. I call BS on my teacher.
 
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b_roberts said:
Now, I had this question on a test and got it wrong. I get 0.93, which I think is correct. Apparently the answer is 0.24. I call BS on my teacher.

Well, you're incorrect, as any calculus capable calculator will confirm. So, instead of directing profanities towards your teacher, perhaps you should post your calculations so we can point out where your error(s) are.
 
How am I wrong? The function is negative from pi/2 to 2 and the area below the x-axis has to be calculated separately as an absolute value and added to the area above the x-axis. Of course an integral calculator will get the question wrong, they can't handle area below the x-axis.
 
b_roberts said:
How am I wrong? The function is negative from pi/2 to 2 and the area below the x-axis has to be calculated separately as an absolute value and added to the area above the x-axis. Of course an integral calculator will get the question wrong, they can't handle area below the x-axis.

Who said anything about the area under a curve? It says compute a definite integral, not "Find the area under the curve."
 
The definite integral is the area under the curve...
 
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That's a common misconception. The definite integral can get you the area under the curve, but that doesn't mean it is.
 
So what you're saying is that if it doesn't ask for me to compute the area for a definite integral, that I should just calculate it straight away and disregard if it is negative?
 
Yes.

Remember the fundamental theorem of Calculus:

For a sufficiently nice function,

<br /> \int_a^b f(x) dx = F(b) - F(a)<br />

Where a and b are the bounds and F is the anti-derivative.

It doesn't care about negative or positive. All it cares about is the value of F at b and a.
 
Alright. That makes sense. Thank you.
 
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The definite integral is the signed, net area under the curve. That's quite easy to forget.

That's why

\int_0^{2\pi} \cos x \ dx

evaluates to zero. There is the same amount of area above the x-axis as there is below it.
 
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b_roberts said:
The definite integral is the area under the curve...

That's not the definition of a definite integral. When in doubt, you should always turn to the definitions.In this case, the definition involves a limit of a summation. Thinking of a definite integral as being an area under a curve is only strictly true when the curve is above the x-axis over the entire interval.

If you were asked to find the area between the curve f(x)=4\sin x\cos x and the x-axis on the interval x\in [1,2], then your method would be correct. However, that wasn't what you were asked.
 

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