What is this differential equation? I'm going crazy

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The discussion revolves around a set of partial differential equations (PDEs) that participants are trying to understand and solve. The equations presented resemble the Euler-Cauchy ordinary differential equations (ODEs), and the conversation explores various methods of analysis, transformations, and potential solutions.

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  • One participant presents a series of PDEs and notes their resemblance to Euler-Cauchy ODEs, seeking insights on their classification.
  • Another participant provides a link to a resource on Euler-Cauchy ODEs but expresses uncertainty about its applicability to the presented equations.
  • It is suggested that the differential operator can be expressed as a directional derivative along a vector, although its specific classification remains unclear.
  • A method to reduce the equations to a linear PDE with constant coefficients is proposed through a substitution, similar to techniques used for Euler-Cauchy ODEs.
  • Discussion includes the idea that solutions must depend on the ratios of the variables, leading to a function of homogeneous or projective coordinates.
  • Participants explore the implications of scaling properties of the solutions and the need for additional conditions to narrow down the solutions.
  • One participant mentions the existence of n-1 solutions based on the number of variables, suggesting a potential rewriting of the function to simplify the problem.
  • A later post introduces the method of characteristics as a potential approach to solving the first-order linear PDEs presented.

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Participants express various viewpoints on the nature of the equations and potential methods for solving them. There is no consensus on a single approach or solution, and multiple competing ideas are presented throughout the discussion.

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Some assumptions regarding the nature of the solutions and the applicability of certain methods remain unresolved. The discussion also highlights the complexity of the equations and the need for boundary conditions or additional differential equations to refine the solutions.

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I have been working on a math problem and I keep getting the some type of PDEs.

x*dU/dx+y*dU/dy = 0
x*dU/dx+y*dU/dy+z*dU/dz = 0 ...

x1*dU/dx1+x2*dU/dx2+x3*dU/dx3 + ... + xn*dU/dxn= 0

dU/dxi is the partial derivative with respect to the ith variable. Does anyone know about this type of PDE? It looks like the Euler-Cauchy ODE.
 
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In each case, we can write the differential operator as ##\vec{r}\cdot\nabla_r U##, so the operator is a directional derivative along the vector ##\vec{r}##. I'm not sure that the equation with this equal to zero has a special name, though there are equations named after both Euler and Cauchy in the theory of transport that involve a directional derivative.
 
The equations can be reduced to a linear pde with constant coefficients with the substitution.

xi = e^yi

dU/dy1+dU/dy2 + ... + dU/dyn= 0

Same substition you would use to solve Euler-Cauchy ODE.
 
You can actually do a bit more. On a patch where one coordinate does not vanish, ##x_n\neq 0##, we can show that the solutions ##U(x_i)## must only depend on the ratios ##x_i/x_n## (called homogenous or projective coordinates), i.e., ##U## is a function ##U(x_i/x_n)##.
 
Wow your right... So U(xi/xn) could be written as U(e^(y1-yn),e^(y2-yn),...,e^(yn-1-yn)).
 
The solution U(x1,x2,...,xn)=U(a*x1,a*x2,...,a*xn)

Where a is constant. So it doesn't scale. I was just making substitutions to look for properties.

... Just realized the ratio of the two variables would cancel any constant coefficients anyway ... A lot of work for the same result.

Now I need a condition to find a solution.
 
Any (first-differentiable) function of the homogenous variables is a solution. You would need additional differential equations or boundary conditions to narrow the solutions.
 
I know there has to be n-1 solutions for the solution I am looking for if they exist. So one less than the number of variables. Which I think is possible because you can rewrite the function as the ratio of one of the variables. Which makes one less than n inputs. Thanks for the help/enlightenment. I like the vector approach. I am going to write out the Fourier series for the solution, sub back in the ln(yi) for xi and see if I can find some conditions
 
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SSGD said:
I have been working on a math problem and I keep getting the some type of PDEs.

x*dU/dx+y*dU/dy = 0
x*dU/dx+y*dU/dy+z*dU/dz = 0 ...

x1*dU/dx1+x2*dU/dx2+x3*dU/dx3 + ... + xn*dU/dxn= 0

dU/dxi is the partial derivative with respect to the ith variable. Does anyone know about this type of PDE? It looks like the Euler-Cauchy ODE.

Those are first-order linear PDEs which can in principle be solved by the method of characteristics.

As an example, if <br /> x \frac{\partial U}{\partial x} + y\frac{\partial U}{\partial y} = 0<br /> then you can make a change of independent variables from (x,y) to (t,s) where \frac{\partial x}{\partial t} = x, \frac{\partial y}{\partial t} = y to obtain <br /> \frac{\partial U}{\partial t} = 0. Thus U = f(s) for some function f.
Now we know that (x,y) = (A(s),B(s))e^t so all we need is to choose the functions A and B appropriately and we can then invert the relationship to give (t,s) in terms of (x,y). Here we can take (A(s),B(s)) = (\cos s, \sin s) which gives a problem at (x,y) = (0,0), but if you look at the PDE you see that \nabla U is not uniquely determined at (0,0) anyway.
 

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