What is v(dv/dx) and how does it relate to acceleration?

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The discussion centers around the expression ##v(dv/dx)## and its relationship to acceleration, particularly in the context of mechanics. Participants explore theoretical implications, applications in fluid dynamics, and the challenges of modeling motion with forces like air resistance.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the meaning and application of ##v(dv/dx)## in modeling acceleration, suggesting that traditionally ##dv/dt## is used for acceleration.
  • Another participant explains that using the chain rule, ##v(dv/dx)## can be shown to equal ##dv/dt##, thus relating it to acceleration, and mentions its connection to the material derivative.
  • A participant raises the potential usefulness of the expression in modeling motion with air resistance, noting difficulties with traditional methods that rely on ##dv/dt##.
  • Another example provided discusses the application of the expression in fluid dynamics, specifically in determining the acceleration and forces on a fluid element based on its velocity field.
  • One participant highlights the utility of the expression in separating differential equations, providing an example involving gravitational forces and the integration process.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the utility and application of ##v(dv/dx)## versus ##dv/dt## for modeling acceleration. While some find value in the former for specific scenarios, others maintain a preference for the latter in traditional mechanics contexts. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the broader applicability of these expressions.

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Some limitations are noted, such as the dependency on specific conditions for modeling motion with air resistance and the assumptions underlying the use of the chain rule in different contexts.

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My mechanics syllabus suggests that we can model acceleration as ##v(dv/dx)## but what exactly does this mean? Can you give me (or link me to) some explanations and/or sample problems with worked solutions? In my experience so far we should always be using ##dv/dt## for ##a##.
 
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Consider what v actually is in one dimension:
v = \dfrac{dx}{dt}.
So in using the chain rule,
v\dfrac{dv}{dx} = \dfrac{dx}{dt}\dfrac{dv}{dx} = \dfrac{dv}{dt} = a.
Of course, you could make the same argument with any spatial coordinate. This is intimately related to what is commonly called the material derivative.
 
boneh3ad said:
Consider what v actually is in one dimension:
v = \dfrac{dx}{dt}.
So in using the chain rule,
v\dfrac{dv}{dx} = \dfrac{dx}{dt}\dfrac{dv}{dx} = \dfrac{dv}{dt} = a.
Of course, you could make the same argument with any spatial coordinate. This is intimately related to what is commonly called the material derivative.

Thanks.

What would be the usefulness of something like this? Could you, for example, model motion with air resistance using it? (This is impossible with ##dv/dt## calculus since your balanced expression for acceleration would depend on -kv2, your air resistance, but then ##v## depends on acceleration, meaning the model cannot incorporate air resistance.)
 
Suppose you have a stream of some fluid and you know the velocity field. You would like to know the acceleration of (and hence the forces on) some bit of fluid as it passes by a certain point. This formulation is useful.
 
It's useful when separating differential equations like the following:

a=\frac{k}{r^2}

So you can integrate:

vdv=\frac{k}{r^2}dr

This is used, for example, with finding the time it takes for two masses to come together under gravity.
 

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