What makes a matrix positive ?

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The discussion revolves around the properties of 2x2 matrices, specifically focusing on the conditions under which one matrix can be considered "larger" or "positive" compared to another. The original poster seeks clarification on matrix ordering and the criteria for a matrix to be classified as positive.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster questions the existence of an ordering operation for matrices and how it is determined. They also inquire about the criteria that define a matrix as being greater than or equal to zero.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring definitions and properties of positive definite matrices. Some have provided examples of matrices and questioned their validity in relation to the original poster's inquiry. There is an ongoing examination of the definitions and properties without reaching a consensus.

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Participants note that the matrices provided by the original poster may not meet the criteria for being positive definite, and there is a reference to external resources for further clarification. The discussion includes potential typos and misunderstandings regarding matrix equality.

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Homework Statement



Find an example with 2 * 2 matrices for which: 0 (= or < ) a (= or < ) b does not imply a 2 (= or <) b2.

the trace and the determinant of both a and b matrices should be positive !

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i just need to know 2 things :

1- is there an ordering operation over matrices ? how is it determined ?
2- what makes a matrix larger than or equal to zero ??
 
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now i found these two matrices :

a =
1 2
-1 0

b=
1 2
-1 0


a2 =
-1 2
-1 -2

b2 =
1 4
0 1

is it a valid answer for the question ?
 
Umm, I think you made a typo... a=b in your example...
 
The definition of a positive definite matrix is x*Mx>0 for all non-zero vectors x. The wiki page above is a good source.

Neither a or b are positive definite matrices. For instance {-1,2}*a{-1,2}=-1 for the a you gave.

This concept can be used to order matrices by saying that a>b if (a-b) is positive definite.

Hope this helps you.

-S
 

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