What material is a poor conductor of electricity?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around identifying solid materials that are poor conductors of electricity, suitable for demonstration purposes in a primary school setting. Participants explore various materials that can be used to create a circuit with a 3V battery and a bulb, aiming for observable changes in brightness based on the material's conductivity.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using pencil 'lead' as a semi-conductor, recommending different grades for varying conductivity.
  • Another proposes a linear potentiometer, noting the potential to remove the carbon element for use in the circuit.
  • A suggestion is made to use nichrome wire, with a question raised about its conductivity compared to pencil lead.
  • Participants discuss the need for a resistance of around 100 ohms to effectively change the brightness of the bulb.
  • Some participants mention using charcoal or carbon from batteries as alternative materials.
  • There are suggestions to experiment with conducting paper and putty, although these may not be as accessible for young children.
  • One participant notes the importance of using thick pencil leads or carpenter's pencils for better resistance measurement.
  • Another participant mentions the possibility of using a strong salt solution to achieve low resistance for lighting an LED.
  • There is a discussion about the effectiveness of scribbling with a pencil to create conducting tracks, with mixed results reported.
  • A later reply emphasizes the importance of measuring the lightbulb's resistance to determine suitable materials for dimming effects.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of opinions on suitable materials, with no consensus on a single best option. Various suggestions are made, and some participants share their experiences, but the effectiveness of each proposed material remains uncertain.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the variability in conductivity based on material properties and the need for practical experimentation to determine effectiveness. There are also references to the limitations of certain materials in achieving the desired observable effects.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for educators, particularly primary school teachers, looking for engaging and accessible materials to demonstrate electrical conductivity concepts to young students.

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Hello, I was wondering if anyone could tell me of an easily available (to a primary school teacher) solid material that conducts electricity, but noticeably poorly, so that it can be demonstrated and hopefully performed by 9 year olds.

To be exact, I want a solid material that can be connected to a 3v battery and bulb using crocodile clip leads so that...

a. the bulb will light up.
b. the bulb will be dimmer or brighter depending on the length of this semi conducting material in the circuit.

I had heard that lead and aluminium were poor conductors but when I experimented with a 1m aluminium rule and a strip of lead, there really was no noticeable change in bulb brightness at all. they may be poor conductors compared to copper, but I need something observable to a 9 year old's eyes.

Any ideas?

Thanks.
 
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In my teaching I have used pencil 'lead' as a semi - conductor.
Try different grade pencils 2B to 4H for example
 
First thing that comes to mind is a linear potentiometer of appropriate size and resistance range. You should be able to remove the carbon element from it.
 
To change the brightness of a bulb you will need a fairly small resistance...100ohms max.?
 
Try a length of nichrome wire, from a scrap electric heater etc.
 
Thanks guys, very helpful.

The pencil is perfect. I just cut one open and it shows a noticeable dimming from one end to the other, and we use pencils everyday so it's a familiar object and material, easily understandable to a 9 year old.

The linear potentiometer element may also be perfect, but not so immediate or recognisable, I don't have one or know where to get one (I looked on google, but the range is enormous when you don't know what you are looking for).

Is nichrome wire a better or poorer conductor?

Are there other options similar to the pencil that you can think of? Always good to have a range. It would have to be something that is a WORSE conductor than pencil lead (yes, I know it's not really lead), so that the dimming is really clear and hopefully a little less fragile that pencil lead, so children can make a dimmer switch of their own.

Thanks again, really helpful.
 
technician said:
Try different grade pencils 2B to 4H for example

Do you happen to know which is the best insulator? Is there much difference between them?
 
You can try scribbling on paper with a pencil (2B?) to create conducting tracks.
It is possible to buy conducting paper and conducting putty but for young kids using pencil lead as a start takes some beating!
 
The best conductors will be 6B, the best insulators will be 4H and so on.
Use wires with crocodile clips to make good connections to the pencil leads.
It is 'hit and miss'...like all good experiments.
Kids love it
 
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I tried scribbling with a school pencil which sadly didn't work. Great idea. I like the sound of the putty too, I was going to look into that.
 
  • #11
Let the kids try everything...try charcoal ( from art department) or barbecue!,,,,
The key is to use carbon in whatever form you can find.
Take an old zinc carbon battery apart and use the central carbon rod if you feel adventurous and your local health and safety do not object !
 
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I don't know where they got them from but the technicians at school had a supply of very thick pencil leads 4 or 5 mm thick. Excellent for resistance measuring and really strong. Carpenter' s pencils would be a robust alternative. A strong salt solution might get low enough resistance to light an LED with a 9V battery.
 
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pablito said:
I tried scribbling with a school pencil which sadly didn't work. Great idea. I like the sound of the putty too, I was going to look into that.
Did you make a wide line, and retrace the line several times so that it is also really thick? Not that I know for sure this should work, but I wanted to throw that out there.

I recommend using an ohmmeter to figure out how much resistance you are really aiming for. If you measure the lightbulb's room temperature resistance, then its operating resistance will be about 15 times that value, since the lightbulb operates at a much higher temperature.

Once you have the lightbulb's resistance, then you know you want something that is comparable, or perhaps several times more resistive, to put in series and cause noticeable dimming.
 

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