What materials can transfer sound vibration?

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The discussion revolves around the transfer of sound vibrations through various materials, specifically focusing on how sound can be transmitted from air into water contained within a plastic bottle. Participants explore the efficiency of different materials in facilitating sound transfer and the concept of acoustic impedance.

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  • One participant inquires whether sound vibrations can pass through a plastic bottle into water and seeks suggestions for materials that optimize sound transfer.
  • Another participant asserts that sound will indeed pass through the plastic and into the water, noting that all materials transfer sound waves to some extent.
  • A third participant introduces the concept of acoustic impedance, explaining that lower impedance materials transfer sound energy more efficiently and discusses the design of sonar systems that utilize this principle.
  • This participant speculates that while sound may pass into the water from the plastic bottle, the transfer might be limited due to the high acoustic impedance of the semi-rigid plastic, suggesting that a thinner rubber bottle could improve sound transfer.
  • Another participant highlights the differences in sound transmission between air and water, noting that human ears are not well-suited for detecting sound in water due to differences in density and stiffness.
  • They also mention that aquatic animals have adapted hearing systems that allow them to detect sound effectively in water, contrasting this with the challenges faced by those out of water.
  • Lastly, a participant suggests that using an acoustic horn could enhance the coupling of sound to the water, thereby increasing the vibrations within the bottle.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the efficiency of sound transfer through different materials, particularly regarding the impact of acoustic impedance. There is no consensus on the best material or method for optimizing sound transfer into water.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the limitations of human auditory perception in water and the technical aspects of sound transmission, but do not resolve the complexities of acoustic impedance or the optimal configurations for sound transfer.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying acoustics, sound engineering, or anyone curious about the properties of sound transmission in different media.

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If water is hold inside the water bottle, which is made of plastic, and I play music within the room, can the sound vibration get through the plastic bottle and transfer it into water?
Does anyone have any suggestions on what kind of materials to hold the water to get the best transfer rate on sound vibration?
Thanks in advance for any suggestions

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Yes, the sound will get through the plastic and into the water inside. All materials transfer sound waves to some extent.
 
oem7110,

Whenever acoustic waves pass from one medium to another there is what is called an “acoustic impedance” that determines the efficiency of the transfer of wave energy. A low acoustic impedance transfers more energy and vice versa.

Sonar systems can both transmit acoustic energy and receive it. A sonar transmitter, known as a “projector”, uses a piezo-electric ceramic element that is excited by a voltage signal. It vibrates in a chamber filled with liquid similar to glycerin which is isolated from seawater by a flexible rubber barrier. This rubber is specially made so as to match the acoustic impedance of the inner liquid to the seawater. Typically the rubber called Rho-C is used. If the set up works as planned then nearly all the energy generated by the piezo-ceramic passes through the glycerin, the rubber, and is transferred efficiently into the seawater. If the rubber was more brittle (rigid) for example, the acoustic impedance would be higher and less energy would be transferred to the water.

In your example the acoustic waves in the air arrive at the plastic bottle and impart their energy onto its surface. My guess is it does allow some of this signal to pass into the water inside, but probably only a small amount because the semi-rigid bottle presents a high acoustic impedance. To get the best transfer of acoustic energy from air to the water use a thin rubber bottle. Maybe a condom?

One could use a small microphone and amplifier to test this. The microphone is put inside a rubber glove and the glove is filled with alcohol. The glove is tied off and securely closed around the microphone cable . This becomes your “hydrophone” or underwater receiver of sound. Immerse the glove in the bottle of water, close up the bottle, connect the microphone to your amplifier, and play your music. If the sound is entering into the water in the bottle you should hear it from the amplifier’s speaker.

I have recorded the songs of blue whales off the coast of Los Angeles using similar
equipment.

Why would you want to send your music inside the bottle?
 
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Water is quite good at transmitting sound but your ears are not very suitable for getting the sound energy out. They are designed to extract sound energy from air, which is much less dense and much less 'stiff' than water. In air there is a large displacement and a low pressure variation but in water the pressure variations are larger with very small displacements. They are said to have different 'Acoustic Impedances' (mentioned previously). Sound travels much faster in water, too.

If you put your head under water, everything goes quiet and all you may hear can be the buzzing / ticking of a passing outboard motor or someone tapping on the side of the bath.
otoh, fish and cetaceans have hearing systems that 'match' well to the water and they can hear sound from miles away - so the sound energy does, actually, travel quite well through water - as long as you can launch it and receive it well.
btw, I am sure that a Dolphin would not hear sound very well when out of the water. I feel very sorry for whales that live near busy boating areas - talk about noise pollution!
 
In answer to your actual question (:smile:), to get the water in your bottle to vibrate a lot due to the sound from outside, you need to 'match' the impedance. If the bottle were put at the (narrow) end of a large, tapered acoustic horn, the pressure variations would be greater, so sound would be coupled better to the water.
 

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