What Other Types of Motion Exist Beyond Translation, Rotation, and Oscillation?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the types of motion in classical mechanics, specifically questioning whether there are more than the traditionally recognized three types: translation, rotation, and oscillation. Participants explore various concepts and propose additional types of motion, considering both theoretical and practical implications.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants mention Brownian motion and diffusion as additional types of motion, suggesting these are fundamental patterns.
  • One participant proposes exponential motion and suggests that linear combinations of the basic types could encompass many forms of motion.
  • There is a discussion about the relevance of categorizing motion into three or more types, with some arguing that the physics remains unchanged regardless of the classification.
  • A participant highlights the importance of analyzing motion ontologically and mentions analytical methods like angular momentum as useful tools.
  • Another participant points out that textbooks often imply a limited number of motion types for simplicity, while advanced mechanics shows that complex motions can be understood as combinations of simpler motions.
  • There are references to rigid body motion and the relationship between oscillation and circular motion through phase differences.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the classification of motion, with no consensus on whether additional types should be formally recognized. Some agree on the significance of various patterns of motion, while others question the necessity of categorization.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that the discussion may be limited by the definitions of motion and the assumptions underlying different types of motion. The complexity of motion in advanced mechanics is noted, but not resolved.

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In high school I learned about three kinds of motion in classical mechanics - translation, rotation, and oscillation. Are there any other kinds of motion in the physical world?
 
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Brownian

Edit: Also diffusion.
 
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I would add exponential motion. I think that linear combinations of those basic types would cover a lot.
 
anorlunda said:
Brownian

Edit: Also diffusion.
I think that the inclusion of oscillation in the OP really opened the door to a lot of patterns of motion. I don't know how much the OP would really want to include, but I think that Brownian motion is certainly a fundamental pattern. There are a lot of patterns of motion that can be modeled as a time series with different random distributions.
 
@Josh0768, I have a question for you. Motion is motion. Who cares whether people choose to describe it as 3 kinds of motion or 30 kinds? That doesn't change the physics.
 
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anorlunda said:
@Josh0768, I have a question for you. Motion is motion. Who cares whether people choose to describe it as 3 kinds of motion or 30 kinds? That doesn't change the physics.
Perhaps he is looking for the types of motion that can be sustained with no forces applied and with energy conserved.
 
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I think the important point isn't making a list the ways things move (with/without forces applied) as much as looking ontologically at how we can analyze objects that move. As others have said, ultimately everything (except QM) was pretty much described by Newton's laws of simple motion, F=mA, etc. But there are analytical approaches that are powerful tools to simplify things, like angular momentum and such. I think this list should be thought of as a curriculum of analytical methods.
 
anorlunda said:
That doesn't change the physics.

But it does change the stamp collecting. :wink:
 
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translation, rotation... transformation ? existence ?
 
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I notice that high school physics and undergraduate physics textbooks suggest "there are ...", when they really mean, " we will treat only 3 kinds of motion". Later, more advanced textbooks in mechanics show how a composite body rotating is a combination of all its constituents translating. For example, a spinning baseball can be treated as the translation of the center of mass of the baseball, along with the rotation of all the constituent parts of the baseball rotating around the center of mass, or it could also be treated as all constituent parts (only) translating, under the influences of external forces (usually gravity, and drag) and internal (constraining) forces that force the constituent parts to remain at a fixed distance from one another. This is known as rigid body motion.

Or, when you have two oscillating motions along orthogonal axes with a relative phase of pi/2 radians, then you have circular motion.

In the end, it is not the "number of kinds" that are important. There is a certain amount of "poetic license" in these and probably all textbooks. The authors, rightly do not want to expose the students to too many concepts too fast.
 
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anorlunda said:
@Josh0768, I have a question for you. Motion is motion. Who cares whether people choose to describe it as 3 kinds of motion or 30 kinds? That doesn't change the physics.
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