What percentage of Americans believe in ghosts?

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The discussion revolves around the belief in ghosts, with participants sharing personal experiences and skepticism. A comparison is made between the percentage of baseball fans in the U.S. and those who believe in ghosts, UFOs, and other controversial topics, highlighting how data representation can be misleading. Some participants recount eerie personal encounters, such as seeing apparitions, while others attribute these experiences to psychological phenomena like sleep paralysis or the brain's tendency to misinterpret sensory information. The conversation also touches on the nature of ghost stories in film, with a preference for psychological thrillers over modern horror tropes. Skeptics argue that there is no scientific evidence for ghosts, suggesting that many reported experiences can be explained by natural causes or psychological states. The dialogue reflects a mix of belief, curiosity, and skepticism regarding the existence of ghosts and the interpretation of supernatural experiences.
  • #51
Huckleberry said:
I believe in ghosts, but wish I didn't. I don't believe in dragons, but wish I did. Ofcourse, I also think the world is far too sensible of a place and doesn't fully realize the value of a little bit of insensibility. I don't know of any reason to believe that all of reality can be measured by our senses. I believe that sort of sentiment stifles individual creativity and imagination. (I blame my grade school teacher for punishing me for coloring outside the lines.)

Blah, blah, blah. Yeah here we go with the stereotype again "RATIONALITY IS FOR THE HEARTLESS, JUST GET THAT FEELING, EAT A BALONEY SANDWHICH THE RIGHT WAY AND JUST BELIEVE GUYS." Screw that. As I've told people before, if a God does exist I'd rebel. If ghosts exist I'd tell them to **** off and get a life.

To think about whether or not we can measure reality outside of our senses is pointless. 1) Who cares really? 2) If it's outside of our senses then how could it possibly be useful to us in acquiring new knowledge?
 
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  • #52
I don't believe in ghosts but I dread encountering one.
 
  • #53
Since I have not yet seen any hard evidence supporting the existence of ghosts, as cool as it would be for them to exist, I have to say no. My beliefs can change though. Somewhat like when I was a child, I fully believed in ghosts... they were the bumps in the night. As I grew older I was able to easily explain the 'bumps' as either a mouse, rat, bird, the house settling, wind, ect. I do find the reports and documented events interesting though and I view them fairly open-mindedly. I've been to a few houses and places that were supposedly haunted (the Chattanooga battlefield and the Bell Witch area in Middle TN being two), but have yet to see anything out of the ordinary, let alone any spirits or apparitions.

One place that I would love to visit, even though my better judgement tells me it's just a ploy to increase tourism, is the Mackenzie poltergeist in Scotland...

Since 1999 there have been 350 documented attacks. 170 people have collapsed. Tourists have reported hot spots, cold spots, somewhere in the middle spots. They have been bloodied and bruised, pushed and pulled, by an unseen and altogether unwanted visitor to the Black Mausoleum.
http://heritage.scotsman.com/myths.cfm?id=39982005
 
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  • #54
I am with EL on this one.

For any, every and all ghost stories, tales, experiences, feelings, etc, etc, I have no doubts in my mind that there is an explanation that does not involve a bodiless spirit.

There are phenomena that are unexplained, but mostly there are a lot of people ranging from wishful thinkers to those with outright dementia who really want ghosts to exist. Then there are rats, possums, mice and owls (I'm convinced that it was owls that gave the "boo" to ghost stories). When you want to see something so very badly, and then you go into a dark room, I think you will eventually see and hear exactly what you want to see and hear.
 
  • #55
Chi Meson said:
For any, every and all ghost stories, tales, experiences, feelings, etc, etc, I have no doubts in my mind that there is an explanation that does not involve a bodiless spirit.
This is pretty much my sentiment too.
 
  • #56
Chi Meson said:
For any, every and all ghost stories, tales, experiences, feelings, etc, etc, I have no doubts in my mind that there is an explanation that does not involve a bodiless spirit.
I used to think that.

Chi Meson said:
There are phenomena that are unexplained, but mostly there are a lot of people ranging from wishful thinkers to those with outright dementia who really want ghosts to exist. Then there are rats, possums, mice and owls (I'm convinced that it was owls that gave the "boo" to ghost stories). When you want to see something so very badly, and then you go into a dark room, I think you will eventually see and hear exactly what you want to see and hear.
How do two different people see it, and describe it, without prompting? I thought I imagined my experience, until it was validated (for me) by someone I trust.
 
  • #57
It is evolutionary to be in fear when alone in the dark, for obvious reasons. Therefore the feeling of fear is dramatically reduced when one seeks company of another person or a group. That ensures your safety from a potential danger, such as an ambush by a saber tooth tiger. That's why people in groups never report seeing anything.

I don't know what the exact percentage is, but there is a lot of non-verbal communication taking place among humans which is still not understood very well. Fear can be contagious. If one person is in fear, it can spread to another person (who might not be as confident as well, when facing a potential danger, usually imaginary)

I have a theory among many, that seeing a ghost is the same mechanism that if you were stuck in a dark cave, fear would compel you to find a way out of the cave, as caves are home to dangerous creatures, such as bats or bears. Furthermore, a house or a small dark space would simulate the same conditions as a cave, and force you to get out by inducing feeling of "fear". But since, you are living in such a place for extended periods of time against mother nature's programming, your mind will induce these ghosts so that you can still seek an exit.

my 2 cents.
 
  • #58
Artman It simply cannot be explained, until someone experiences it first hand they can't imagine what it is. I didn't believe there was something unexplainable until it happened to me and several others where there to witness it at the same time.

Some people will never experience it, so to them it doesn't exist, what ever "it" might be. I can't blame those that haven't experienced it to disbelieve it. We will just consider ourselves "special". :approve:
 
  • #59
LightbulbSun said:
Blah, blah, blah. Yeah here we go with the stereotype again "RATIONALITY IS FOR THE HEARTLESS, JUST GET THAT FEELING, EAT A BALONEY SANDWHICH THE RIGHT WAY AND JUST BELIEVE GUYS." Screw that. As I've told people before, if a God does exist I'd rebel. If ghosts exist I'd tell them to **** off and get a life.

To think about whether or not we can measure reality outside of our senses is pointless. 1) Who cares really? 2) If it's outside of our senses then how could it possibly be useful to us in acquiring new knowledge?
That's not what I was saying at all. I don't think rationality is heartless, and I hate baloney sandwiches any way they can be eaten. Whether someone believes in God or ghosts or dragons is of little concern to me either way. I also wasn't thinking about whether or not we can measure reality outside of our senses. I was just saying that it can exist there.

Sorry about the confusion.
 
  • #60
Artman said:
I used to think that.

How do two different people see it, and describe it, without prompting? I thought I imagined my experience, until it was validated (for me) by someone I trust.

How do two different people like the same foods? You're duping yourself by jumping on the bandwagon of wishful thinkers.
 
  • #61
I grew up leaning toward belief in something paranormal causing these strange experiences people have. Later, I started finding out about the variety of things that can cause hallucinations, even in otherwise functional people. Add to that the phenomenon of hypnosis (especially self-suggestion) and I don't see any reason to hold on to the possibility there might be anything to "ghosts" outside neurological and psychological phenomena.
 
  • #62
Artman said:
How do two different people see it, and describe it, without prompting? I thought I imagined my experience, until it was validated (for me) by someone I trust.

I can't explain it, because I have no idea what the details are.

I used to think there were ghosts too.

Evo said:
Some people will never experience it, so to them it doesn't exist, what ever "it" might be. I can't blame those that haven't experienced it to disbelieve it. We will just consider ourselves "special".
Yeah. "Special.":wink::biggrin:
 
  • #63
Artman said:
How do two different people see it, and describe it, without prompting? I thought I imagined my experience, until it was validated (for me) by someone I trust.
There is a third possibility, which is that you and your wife were "primed" for something like this, at a previous time, without either of you being aware it was happening. Hypnagogue recently brought up the concept of "alert hypnosis" in another forum: a situation where suggestions are planted in people's minds while they are in perfectly normal consciouness. British hypnotist Derren Brown does this to people on a regular basis while being filmed doing it and the results are remarkable:

http://www.channel4.com/entertainment/tv/microsites/M/mindcontrol/video/

His skill lies in part in a thorough knowledge of how to suggest, rather than directly state, and in recognizing when a person is sufficiently preoccupied that the suggestion will take hold without their conscious knowledge.

I don't think people like Derren Brown go around randomly planting such suggestions in unsuspecting people. I think most such suggestions get planted inadvertently. If you watch the Derren Brown clips and read his explanations of how he does it you'll be able to piece together how this could happen, and see that people like Derren Brown learned it was possible to do such things by observing them happen inadvertently in the first place.
 
  • #64
zoobyshoe said:
There is a third possibility, which is that you and your wife were "primed" for something like this, at a previous time, without either of you being aware it was happening. Hypnagogue recently brought up the concept of "alert hypnosis" in another forum: a situation where suggestions are planted in people's minds while they are in perfectly normal consciouness. British hypnotist Derren Brown does this to people on a regular basis while being filmed doing it and the results are remarkable:

http://www.channel4.com/entertainment/tv/microsites/M/mindcontrol/video/

His skill lies in part in a thorough knowledge of how to suggest, rather than directly state, and in recognizing when a person is sufficiently preoccupied that the suggestion will take hold without their conscious knowledge.

I don't think people like Derren Brown go around randomly planting such suggestions in unsuspecting people. I think most such suggestions get planted inadvertently. If you watch the Derren Brown clips and read his explanations of how he does it you'll be able to piece together how this could happen, and see that people like Derren Brown learned it was possible to do such things by observing them happen inadvertently in the first place.
I'm open minded to a good explanation, but it doesn't explain the dog whining.
 
  • #65
Artman said:
it doesn't explain the dog whining.

Dogs typically react to their master's mood.
 
  • #66
Evo said:
Artman It simply cannot be explained, until someone experiences it first hand they can't imagine what it is. I didn't believe there was something unexplainable until it happened to me and several others where there to witness it at the same time.

Evo, I'm a bit interested in what exactly you have experienced. Do you mind telling us?
 
  • #67
EL said:
Evo, I'm a bit interested in what exactly you have experienced. Do you mind telling us?
It was over a 2 year period while my youger daughter was 12-14. It got so bad that my older daughter moved to her dad's and was afraid to come back inside the house. She would call me and ask what else had happened. Everything stopped abruptly after she turned 14, nothing unusual since. Just things moving, noises, seeing things that weren't there. The best one was a cat that was sound asleep was hurtled sideways off my bed several feet through the air (sideways, still curled up) crashing into and knocking over a box fan. Like they say, there is an explanation for everything. :biggrin:
 
  • #68
During my conscription in military surface we had this field exercise. This was in the time that the men were of steel and the airplanes of wood. The commander had decided that we started the exercise at midnight with a infiltration attempt on foot for my platoon, sneaking behind enemy lines under cover of the darkness. 20 miles walking with tonnes of hardware. The attempt was unsuccesful since the "enemy"-commander had the same idea. But resourceful as our commander was, he decided to make another attempt the second night, but now with the entire company. That it was our platoon second night in a row was only a technicality. After all, you had to give everything you had for the country.

So at the end of that second night with deprivation of sleep for some 48 hours, suddenly enemy trucks were driving around in circles around our group. But it remained dead silent. Ghost trucks. Just halucinations and plenty of them. Very vividly. I would have done weird things if I had not realized that I was just halucinating. Human brains can be very open for that after which you would swear that it was real.
 
  • #69
Ok, let's focus on this one:

Evo said:
The best one was a cat that was sound asleep was hurtled sideways off my bed several feet through the air (sideways, still curled up) crashing into and knocking over a box fan.

How much of this did you honestly see? Where you looking at the cat when it started to "hurtle"? How did the cat react? What did you do just before this happened? Were you tired?
 
  • #70
Evo said:
Like they say, there is an explanation for everything. :biggrin:

Absotively. One has to be exceptionally naive to blame ghosts for unexplained events of that kind. It has nothing to do with ghosts. It's the Martians.

Andre said:
Human brains can be very open for that after which you would swear that it was real.

I have also observed my mind doing its own thing when sleep deprived or even a few times without obvious cause: hallucinations of course, also completely forgetting certain events, and conversely I would not be surprised to learn that some of my memories are false. The mind naturally interpolates unknown events between known ones, filling in the blanks with the most credible path. But this can easily be wrong and result in perceived miracles. And then, there's always the Martians...
 
  • #71
Evo said:
Artman It simply cannot be explained, until someone experiences it first hand they can't imagine what it is. I didn't believe there was something unexplainable until it happened to me and several others where there to witness it at the same time.

Some people will never experience it, so to them it doesn't exist, what ever "it" might be. I can't blame those that haven't experienced it to disbelieve it. We will just consider ourselves "special". :approve:

I do not believe in the supernatural, but I have had auditory / sensory hallucinations on several occasions.
 
  • #72
EL said:
Ok, let's focus on this one:



How much of this did you honestly see?
All of it.
Where you looking at the cat when it started to "hurtle"?
Yes, I was reading in bed and the cat was lying next to me, I heard a startled yelp, looked up and the cat appeared as if it had just been scooped up and tossed from where it was lying.
How did the cat react?
Very startled. After it hit the fan, it bolted away.
What did you do just before this happened? Were you tired?
I was reading, my daughter was on the floor near the fan also reading, I believe. Not tired. It shook us both up quite a bit.
 
  • #73
I have a hypothesis: Martians spooked him! Unless he had a nightmare or some brain hiccup. Cats don't fly so he must have jumped and from a curled posture the jump was more horizontal than vertical. Had the cat been on a waxed floor instead of a plush surface you might have only seen leg spasms. If you were looking at a book instead of the cat then you could not spot any leg action.
 
  • #74
My general position is that before we claim that something is out of this world, we should first make sure that it is not in it.
 
  • #75
Artman said:
I'm open minded to a good explanation, but it doesn't explain the dog whining.

Why not?
 
  • #76
Andre said:
So at the end of that second night with deprivation of sleep for some 48 hours, suddenly enemy trucks were driving around in circles around our group. But it remained dead silent. Ghost trucks. Just halucinations and plenty of them. Very vividly. I would have done weird things if I had not realized that I was just halucinating. Human brains can be very open for that after which you would swear that it was real.
That's a fascinating story, Andre. I've heard a few other sleep deprivation/hallucination stories and the hallucinations all seem to be especially vivid. Human brains can, indeed, construct things from within that you would swear are real. A lot of these stories come from people doing long distance sailing in yachts where they're forced to stay at the rudder for many hour at a time. Your "ghost trucks" remind me of the many tales of "ghost ships".
 
  • #77
Evo said:
Yes, I was reading in bed and the cat was lying next to me, I heard a startled yelp, looked up and the cat appeared as if it had just been scooped up and tossed from where it was lying.
So you didn't see all of it, right? You didn't see when it was scooped up? If I get you right you're only saying that at the time you first looked at the cat, it looked like it had just been scooped and tossed from where it was lying.
I was reading, my daughter was on the floor near the fan also reading, I believe.
So your daughter didn't really see what happened to the cat? (Before it hit the fan that is.)

At the moment I propose the following:
* The cat jumped into the fan itself. Your brain happened to misinterpret the situation, either because of some optical illusion due to things like observation angle and/or light conditions in the room, or because you were simply (partly) hallucinating.

As long as your daughter didn't see exactly the same thing (but how could she if she was on the floor?) I cannot think of any simpler solution.
 
  • #78
EL said:
So you didn't see all of it, right? You didn't see when it was scooped up? If I get you right you're only saying that at the time you first looked at the cat, it looked like it had just been scooped and tossed from where it was lying.
So your daughter didn't really see what happened to the cat? (Before it hit the fan that is.)
Wrong on all counts. As soon as the cat yealped, we both looked up as it left the bed. We watched it sail sideways into the fan. We got to watch it from two different angles, me from the bed as it sailed away from me into the fan, and her as it came towards her and hit the fan next to her.

Sorry, try again. :smile:
 
  • #79
out of whack said:
I have also observed my mind doing its own thing when sleep deprived or even a few times without obvious cause: hallucinations of course, also completely forgetting certain events, and conversely I would not be surprised to learn that some of my memories are false. The mind naturally interpolates unknown events between known ones, filling in the blanks with the most credible path. But this can easily be wrong and result in perceived miracles. And then, there's always the Martians...
You're refreshingly mellow and easy going about the insights you have into the sometimes unreliable nature of your mind.
 
  • #80
Evo said:
Wrong on all counts. As soon as the cat yealped, we both looked up as it left the bed. We watched it sail sideways into the fan. We got to watch it from two different angles, me from the bed as it sailed away from me into the fan, and her as it came towards her and hit the fan next to her.

Sorry, try again. :smile:

Ok, how fast did the cat appear to move through the air?
Right afterwards, did you and your daughter completely agree on what had happened? Are you sure you didn't in some way persuade her what had happened?
Do you still agree?
 
  • #81
Let me suggest that we don't try to pursue this investigation. For those of us who do not believe the flying cat story: there is nothing that Evo can say that will make us believe it is true.

Similarly, there is nothing we can say or propose that will make Evo think that events didn't transpire exactly how she has stated it.

It's lose, lose.

I will point out that eyewitness accounts of events are actually the least accurate and reliable sources of data and information.
 
  • #82
EL said:
Ok, how fast did the cat appear to move through the air?
I'd say about average speed for a flying cat. :wink: She was still curled up in a ball.
Right afterwards, did you and your daughter completely agree on what had happened?
Yes, we couldn't believe it. After we both basically said WTF? She asked me if I threw the cat, because when she looked up, she saw the cat in the air heading for the fan.
Are you sure you didn't in some way persuade her what had happened?
Positive. We were both very confused, but odd incidents had become so normal that we just chalked it up to another of those "weird" things that were happening.
Do you still agree?
Yes, once in awhile the subject of those 2 years will come up. Just lots of odd things. Our house got a reputation for being spooky. Like I said previously, I don't believe in an after life, so I don't believe in ghosts.
 
  • #83
Chi Meson said:
Let me suggest that we don't try to pursue this investigation. For those of us who do not believe the flying cat story: there is nothing that Evo can say that will make us believe it is true.

Similarly, there is nothing we can say or propose that will make Evo think that events didn't transpire exactly how she has stated it.

It's lose, lose.

I will point out that eyewitness accounts of events are actually the least accurate and reliable sources of data and information.
There are a lot of plausible answers. She could have had a bizarre muscle spasm. Had a nightmare that caused her to jolt through the air. How many cats do you know of that jump into a box fan that's running? I'm not asking to be believed, just stating what happened. Cat is sleeping, cat hits box fan several feet away sideways and knocks it over. If you want to believe that's normal, no problem. :wink:

Actually zooby and I have had quite a few discussions on the possibility of infrasound or other similar (electrical perhaps) reasons for a lot of the oddities. I've stopped shopping at the nearest grocery store because the noise in the frozen foods section is so loud and causes my head to feel like it's going to burst and no one else hears or feels anything. It started when they put the new freezers in. I think I'm susceptible to certain frequencies.
 
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  • #84
Evo---do you think that hawk was a ghost?
 
  • #85
rewebster said:
Evo---do you think that hawk was a ghost?
No, he was obviously sent from another universe. :smile:
 
  • #86
Evo said:
No, he was obviously sent from another universe. :smile:


well, if you combine the two stories it would be a kitty hawk, wright?
 
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  • #87
We have had two cats. Our dear Sappho (lost to the coyotes ten years ago :cry: ) was known for some incredible leaps. Never curled up though. Our current cat, Annie (his full name is Annis McMannus) has developed remarkable flying powers himself. The response/reaction time for cats is faster than ours. Unless we are staring at the cats while the odd thing happens, we can only see the event from the periphery. Peripheral vision is notoriously modified by our brains.

All I'm really saying is that there is plenty of room for skepticism for all eyewitness details.

Back to the OP in general: can ghosts interact with solid objects, or can't they? For ghosts stories to be true, then they have to switch on and off there ability to interact with "our stuff." They float through walls, but then they throw cats through the air (to use the nearest example).

They can't be photographed, until they want to. In order for the ghost images to show up on photographic film, when they weren't visible tho the eye, the ghosts (I'm thinking of the civil war ghosts here) all agree to take a trip into the camera's film and manipulate the emulsion (ghosts have a good education in chemistry) to cause the effect of exposure to particular wavelengths of photons. Clever ghosts!

They can't be seen, but then they can, occasionally. So they are made up of stuff that can't be detected, which is to say, material that doesn't absorb and or reemit radiation. Then the same material, that has no detectable properties, can switch on according to their will to emit visible spectrum radiation. OK, so it must be an energy source we have no knowledge of. Or maybe they get inside our heads and manipulate our visual perception according to their whims. If two people see it at the same time, then they manage to manipulate two brains simultaneously. Clever ghosts.

OR maybe they only exist in our brains.
 
  • #88
Evo said:
There are a lot of plausible answers. She could have had a bizarre muscle spasm. Had a nightmare that caused her to jolt through the air. How many cats do you know of that jump into a box fan that's running? I'm not asking to be believed, just stating what happened. Cat is sleeping, cat hits box fan several feet away sideways and knocks it over. If you want to believe that's normal, no problem. :wink:

Actually zooby and I have had quite a few discussions on the possibility of infrasound or other similar (electrical perhaps) reasons for a lot of the oddities. I've stopped shopping at the nearest grocery store because the noise in the frozen foods section is so loud and causes my head to feel like it's going to burst and no one else hears or feels anything. It started when they put the new freezers in. I think I'm susceptible to certain frequencies.

OR, you could have had a muscle spasm and kicked the cat into the fan

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let's see, I've seen a housefly, I've seen a horsefly, I've even seen a deerfly--but I've never seen a catfly
 
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  • #89
rewebster said:
OR, you could have had a muscle spasm and kicked the cat into the fan
:smile: Now, that's possible. I could have twitched my legs, which spooked the sleeping cat, especially if it was dreaming. I'll never forget the look on that cat's face after she hit the fan. She still wasn't fully awake.

My hunter counterpart at work, the one that stopped and shot a turkey on the way to work, he just happened to have a loaded rifle in his truck and saw it in a field near his house. Hey, I just eat the stuff after he cooks it, I don't ask questions. :rolleyes:

Anyway he tried to help me identify the hawk and brought some bird books in, but it seems all books have the same pictures. :frown:
 
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  • #90
Evo said:
"I've stopped shopping at the nearest grocery store because the noise in the frozen foods section is so loud and causes my head to feel like it's going to burst and no one else hears or feels anything. It started when they put the new freezers in. I think I'm susceptible to certain frequencies."

just turn your hearing aids down--that should help


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Evo said:
:smile: Now, that's possible. I could have twitched my legs, which spooked the sleeping cat, especially if it was dreaming. I'll never forget the look on that cat's face after she hit the fan. She still wasn't fully awake.


NOW, you're thinking like a MAN (logically, that is!)









:rolleyes:
 
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  • #91
Evo said:
I'd say about average speed for a flying cat. :wink: She was still curled up in a ball.
What I mean is if the cat was moving at the same speed as it would have been if it had jumped by itself, or if you saw it slowly float through the air? From your answer I conclude that if you hadn't seen it being "scooped up", but just had seen its following trajectory, you hadn't been able to determine wheter it actually had jumped by itself or not. Right?

Yes, we couldn't believe it. After we both basically said WTF? She asked me if I threw the cat, because when she looked up, she saw the cat in the air heading for the fan.
Hey, wait a minute. I got the impression you were saying that both of you saw the cat being scooped up? Now you are saying your daughter saw the cat first when it was airborn. This would mean that you, and only you, saw the "scooping" of the cat, right?

Positive.
But since she didn't see the "scooping", how can you say you didn't persuade her into what had happened?
 
  • #92
Evo said:
How many cats do you know of that jump into a box fan that's running?
Well, at least one. :wink:
Seriously, cats do the most strange things, just watch some "funny cat"-movies on youtube or similar sites.
 
  • #93
EL said:
Hey, wait a minute. I got the impression you were saying that both of you saw the cat being scooped up? Now you are saying your daughter saw the cat first when it was airborn. This would mean that you, and only you, saw the "scooping" of the cat, right?
No what I was saying was that the cat was still balled up, as if it had been "scooped up" and tossed. It was the manner in which the cat was appoaching the fan that was odd, sideways and balled up. I have never seen a cat jump without extending it's legs, and never sideways, her back hit the fan. That is what my daughter and I couldn't explain. If the cat had just jumped from the bed into the fan, we would have thought "crazy cat" and not thought any more about it.

If I had actually seen the cat "scooped up", it wouldn't be a mystery. :smile: Ok, well, actually I guess it would, but of a different kind. :bugeye:
 
  • #94
Evo said:
No what I was saying was that the cat was still balled up, as if it had been "scooped up" and tossed. It was the manner in which the cat was appoaching the fan that was odd, sideways and balled up. I have never seen a cat jump without extending it's legs, and never sideways, her back hit the fan. That is what my daughter and I couldn't explain. If the cat had just jumped from the bed into the fan, we would have thought "crazy cat" and not thought any more about it.

If I had actually seen the cat "scooped up", it wouldn't be a mystery. :smile: Ok, well, actually I guess it would, but of a different kind. :bugeye:

Ok, the first way i pictured it was that you had actually seen the cat being lifted up by some "invisible force", then "slowly float" sideways through the air while being curled up, and finally hit the fan.

Now I interpret your story like this: Neither you or your daughter looked at the cat the very moment it got airborn. You both saw it when it was flying (with "ordinary" speed) towards the fan, and you both noticed it was in a strange position (curled up into a ball and flying sideways) during the entire flight. Then you both saw it hit the fan.
Is this correct?
 
  • #95
EL said:
Ok, the first way i pictured it was that you had actually seen the cat being lifted up by some "invisible force", then "slowly float" sideways through the air while being curled up, and finally hit the fan.
Good heavens no.

Now I interpret your story like this: Neither you or your daughter looked at the cat the very moment it got airborn. You both saw it when it was flying (with "ordinary" speed) towards the fan, and you both noticed it was in a strange position (curled up into a ball and flying sideways) during the entire flight. Then you both saw it hit the fan.
Is this correct?
Yes, that's it.
 
  • #96
maybe it was really powerful fan?


or, instead of ball lightning, it was ball catling? (flying fur ball)
 
  • #97
Evo said:
Yes, that's it.

Then what is so strange?

The cat slept, dreamt, jumped in its sleep, was still sleeping in the air, hit the fan, woke up, got surprised (I guess you would too if you jumped into a fan in your sleep:wink:).
 
  • #98
EL said:
Then what is so strange?

The cat slept, dreamt, jumped in its sleep, was still sleeping in the air, hit the fan, woke up, got surprised (I guess you would too if you jumped into a fan in your sleep:wink:).
:frown: You're ruining my cat story.
 
  • #99
Evo said:
:frown: You're ruining my cat story.

OK---how's this:


On that dark and dready night, the cat was possessed by the spirit of 'Jack the Ripper'

It AWOKE-----not knowing what circumstances it was in---ALL HELL BROKE LOOSE




AND THE...





KIT HIT THE FAN
 
  • #100
Evo said:
:frown: You're ruining my cat story.

Sorry, I thought you were serious.

What about this one: The cat slept, dreamt, jumped in its sleep, was still sleeping in the air, hit the fan, woke up, got surprised. At the same time there was an invisible brain eating zombie in your closet.
 

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