What planes are flying over Europe right now?

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The discussion centers around the use of ADS-B technology for tracking aircraft and the implications of this data being publicly accessible. Users share links to flight tracking websites like Flightradar24 and MarineTraffic, highlighting their utility in monitoring air and maritime traffic. Concerns are raised about the potential misuse of this information by terrorists, with hypothetical scenarios presented regarding attacks on aircraft. Some participants debate the accuracy and timeliness of the data, with claims that it may be delayed by 15 minutes, while others argue that it can be near real-time. The conversation shifts to the impact of volcanic ash on flight operations, noting a specific KLM flight that was observed during such conditions, which was later clarified as an authorized test flight. The overall tone reflects a mix of fascination with the technology and concern over its implications for security and safety in aviation.
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Well, not every plane, just those equipped with ADS-B. Still, fun to check what it is flying over your house.

http://www.flightradar24.com/
 
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What a great resource for terrorists.
 
waht said:
What a great resource for terrorists.

The data is delayed 15mins. But anyway what kind of terrorist plan were you worried about?

Option 1:
Build robot drone capable of reaching cruise height and speed of 747, and locking onto target - guided to correct flight number by google.

Option 2:
Stand at end of runway with shoulder launched missile. Shoot at big metal bird with US flag as part of logo.
 
mgb_phys said:
The data is delayed 15mins. But anyway what kind of terrorist plan were you worried about?

Option 1:
Build robot drone capable of reaching cruise height and speed of 747, and locking onto target - guided to correct flight number by google.

Option 2:
Stand at end of runway with shoulder launched missile. Shoot at big metal bird with US flag as part of logo.

If you've hijacked a plane, you could check if authorities have been tipped by seeing if other planes have been diverted. Or check the status of your wingman... If this is actually based on real radar data.
 
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mgb_phys said:
The data is delayed 15mins.

What makes you think it's delayed?

As far as I can see, it's live, to within a few seconds, although a bit intermittent (not every plane shows all the time - probably depends on where receivers are situated). I just popped my head out of the door to confirm that an airliner was flying over here (near Southampton) in the direction matching the line on the map, although that could have been coincidence.
 
Somehow that terrorist thinghy is not exactly relevant when it is about weapon employment. The maximum effective altitude of light weapons, like the shoulder fired missiles is about half of the minimum cruising altitude of air liners and a terrorist would not really need air traffic control facilities like this to identify a certain aircraft in the terminal area around an airport. A simple VHF radio receiver would do the trick.
 
Jonathan Scott said:
What makes you think it's delayed? .
There used to be a little about box saying data was delayed 15mins (might have been another site).
The data is sent in the clear anyway - it's used by TCAS so it would be a bit pointless if a US and Russian aircraft were on a collision course but each's positions were encrypted from the other.

There was a complaint about the maritime one from the underwater salvage people that it gives away the position of wrecks they are investigating.
 
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Wow. Fascinating. Love the one for Europe.
 
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Thought I'd bump this, so PFers could see the planes not flying over northern Europe.
 
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I have thought about it too, I just forgot yesterday.
 
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lisab said:
Thought I'd bump this, so PFers could see the planes not flying over northern Europe.

Wow, that's amazing! That volcanic ash sure is causing problems.
Noticed a KLM flight(and the ONLY flight), wonder how that got approved.
 
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pallidin said:
Wow, that's amazing! That volcanic ash sure is causing problems.
Noticed a KLM flight(and the ONLY flight), wonder how that got approved.

Surprising indeed, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KLM_Flight_867" the effects of volcano ash.
 
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pallidin said:
Noticed a KLM flight(and the ONLY flight), wonder how that got approved.
Small planes should be ok, they are well below the ash. Possibly some commuter plane that carries a beacon for some reason (this data is from TCAS transponders that only planes above a certain size need)
 
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mgb_phys said:
Small planes should be ok, they are well below the ash. Possibly some commuter plane that carries a beacon for some reason (this data is from TCAS transponders that only planes above a certain size need)

Are turboprop ok?
 
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Greg Bernhardt said:
Are turboprop ok?
If they fly into ash no, if they are at 5000ft and the ash is at 20,000ft - yes!
 
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pallidin said:
Wow, that's amazing! That volcanic ash sure is causing problems.
Noticed a KLM flight(and the ONLY flight), wonder how that got approved.

For the record, that was an authorized test flight.

You can see the traffic increasing slowly.
 

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