What Radius of a Bubble Causes Vapour Combustion After Adiabatic Compression?

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving the adiabatic compression of a vapor-filled bubble in an explosive liquid. The original poster seeks to determine the radius of the bubble required for combustion, given specific temperature and heat capacity conditions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the use of equations related to reversible adiabatic changes in ideal gases, questioning how to determine the number of particles (n) and the specific heat capacities (CP and CV).
  • Some participants suggest using the initial conditions of the bubble to apply the adiabatic equation, while others express confusion about the definitions and values of specific heat capacities.
  • There is a mention of a solution found in the textbook, but uncertainty remains about the derivation of the answer.

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Guidance has been offered regarding the use of specific heat capacities in the context of the problem. Participants are actively engaging with the concepts but have not reached a consensus on the approach to take, with some still seeking clarification on key terms and values.

Contextual Notes

The problem is sourced from a textbook, and participants are navigating the definitions of heat capacities and their application in the context of the problem. There is an acknowledgment of confusion regarding the distinction between heat capacity and molar heat capacity.

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An explosive liquid at temperature 300 K contains a spherical bubble of radius 5 mm, full of its vapour. When a mechanical shock to the liquid causes adiabatic compression of the bubble, what radius of the bubble is required for combustion of the vapour, given that the vapour ignites spontaneously at 1100 degrees C? That ratio of CV/(n*R) is 3.0 for the vapour.


I'm going to combine relevant equations and attempt at solution together because I'm not sure if the equations I'm using are the relevant ones to begin with.

So for reversible adiabatic changes in an ideal gas,

PV[tex]^{\gamma}[/tex] = constant

And if we put P = nRT/V into that equation, we get

TV[tex]^{\gamma-1}[/tex] = constant

The problem is, how am I supposed to know the n of the gas (how many particles)? I'm guessing I have to use the ratio CV/(n*R) somehow to also find [tex]\gamma[/tex]:

CV/nR = 3 (from above)
So
CV = 3nR

and

CP = CV + R

So

CP = 3nR + R
= (3n + 1)R

[tex]\gamma[/tex] = CP/CV
= [tex]\frac{(3n + 1)R}{3nR}[/tex]

= [tex]\frac{3n+1}{3n}[/tex]

And now I'm stuck again because I still don't know n

Any help/guidance would be appreciated. Thanks.

Also, this problem is from Introductory Statistical Mechanics 2nd ed. by Roger Bowley and Mariana Sanchez, Chapter 1, Problem 8
 
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kpw1 said:
TV[tex]^{\gamma-1}[/tex] = constant

Use the initial information in the beginning of the problem to give you the T and V of the bubble. Then use that equation. Set the initial and final equal to each other.

As for the "n" part. I think you use the specific heat capacities instead.
 
How do I find [tex]\gamma[/tex], though?

[tex]\gamma[/tex] = CP/CV

I don't know either values of CP or CV..

BTW, I recently found the answer in the back of the book. The new radius is supposed to be 1.09 mm, but I still don't get how they got to this..
 
The gamma is just the Cp/Cv but it is with specific heat capacities.

Your equation with Cp = Cv + R is only for specific heat capacities. I wish that I could put the little bar above the Cp and Cv but I can't. Remember that it is specific heat capacities that have to be used in this problem.

This means that the specific Cv would be 3R and the specific Cp would be 4R.
 
Sorry, I'm still confused..:confused:

This means that the specific Cv would be 3R and the specific Cp would be 4R.

How did you arrive to this?
 
I arrived to this because the problem gave you Cv/(n*R) = 3.0 . Since specific Cv is just Cv/n, the specific Cv would be 3R.
Since specific Cp is equal to specific Cv + R, then specific Cp would be 4R.
This will give you the information needed for gamma and the rest of the problem.
 
Thanks so much, bucher.

I forgot the difference between heat capacity and molar heat capacity.

Thanks again! :smile:
 

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