What Range of Acceleration Will Cause a Block to Slip Down an Accelerating Ramp?

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a block of mass m on an inclined ramp at angle θ, with a coefficient of friction µ. The ramp is being accelerated to the right, and the discussion centers on determining the range of acceleration a that will cause the block to slip down the ramp.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the need to find the acceleration a for which the block remains stationary on the ramp, considering forces acting on the block and the effects of friction.
  • Some participants question the role of the normal force in the equations and how it influences the block's equilibrium on the incline.
  • There is a focus on deriving two conditions for equilibrium and the challenge of obtaining both values of a from the equations set up.
  • Concerns are raised about the direction of the frictional force and its relationship to the motion of the ramp.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and corrections regarding the setup of equations and the role of forces. Some have offered clarifications on the conditions for equilibrium, while others are still grappling with the implications of the normal force and friction in the context of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of visualizing the ramp's orientation and the implications of the ramp's acceleration direction on the forces acting on the block. There is also mention of the need for clarity on the conditions under which the block transitions from equilibrium to slipping.

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Homework Statement


A block of mass m is initially at rest at the top of a ramp, inclined at angle θ to the horizontal. The coefficient of friction between the block and the ramp is µ. The ramp is now pushed at acceleration a to the right. For what range of value of a will the block start slipping down the ramp?


Homework Equations


f ≤ µN


The Attempt at a Solution


I think to tackle this question i need to find out the value of a for which the block will remain stationary. Help me check if my working is correct.

If the block doesn't slip, then its acceleration would also be a. The component of acceleration parallel to the plane would be acosθ, the component normal to the plane would be asinθ.

From here I formed the equation:
f - mgsinθ = macosθ
f ≤ mgcosθ + masinθ

I am not sure if this is the correct reasoning.
 
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Your method is correct in principle, but you have to include the normal force in the equation for the normal components.


ehild
 
From the answer, the range of value of a is from g(µcosθ-sinθ)/(cosθ + µsinθ) to gcotθ. So there must be two conditions for equilibrium. But from my two equations, i can only obtain one value of a. How do I find the other value of a for which the block is in equilibrium?
 
If the block is in equilibrium, it can move neither up or down along the ramp. The direction of friction is opposite in these cases.

ehild
 
But i have a problem. It is the frictional force that move the block forward when the ramp is in motion. So how can frictional force be down the ramp, which is in the opposite direction of motion?
 
gaobo9109 said:
But i have a problem. It is the frictional force that move the block forward when the ramp is in motion. So how can frictional force be down the ramp, which is in the opposite direction of motion?

It is both the normal force and friction that affect the horizontal motion of the block.

Don't you have a picture? The problem says that the ramp accelerates to the right, but I do not know if the ramp has its highest point on the right or on the left.

ehild
 
The highest point of the ramp is on the right. But i still don't get it. I thought normal force would not affect the acceleration parallel to the plane of incline. If normal force actually comes into play, what would the new equations for equilibrium be?
 
The normal force does affect the acceleration normal to the incline. You need to set up two equations: one between the component of acceleration and forces parallel to the incline, and the other between the components normal to it. Then use the condition that the friction can not be greater than the normal force multiplied by the coefficient of static friction.

ehild
 
gaobo9109 said:
From the answer, the range of value of a is from g(µcosθ-sinθ)/(cosθ + µsinθ) to gcotθ. So there must be two conditions for equilibrium. But from my two equations, i can only obtain one value of a. How do I find the other value of a for which the block is in equilibrium?

The other value of a (g cotθ) corresponds to that limit when the block falls vertically, just touching the ramp, but without interaction, so the normal force is zero. At even higher acceleration, the block would be above the ramp in the air during its free fall.

ehild
 

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