What Temperature Gives a 25% Population Probability at 7.00 eV in Copper?

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The discussion revolves around determining the temperature at which the probability of populating an energy state at 7.00 eV in copper equals 25%. The context involves the Fermi-Dirac distribution and the specific Fermi energy for copper.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply the Fermi-Dirac distribution formula to find the temperature but questions the validity of their result. Participants raise concerns about the magnitude of the calculated temperature and suggest verifying the constants used in the calculations.

Discussion Status

Participants are engaged in exploring the calculations and assumptions made by the original poster. There is a recognition of the potential for error in the calculations, and some participants offer alternative perspectives on the expected temperature values for metals.

Contextual Notes

There is an emphasis on the high Fermi temperatures of metals, and participants note the discrepancy in temperature values, suggesting that the original poster may have made a mistake in their calculations.

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Homework Statement



Pleas can you help me figure out what I do wrong?
At what temperature is the probability that an energy state at 7.00 eV will be populated equal to 25 percent for copper (EF = 6.95 eV)?

Homework Equations


The formula for the fermi-Dirac Distribution is f(E) = 1/(1+e^((E-EF)/kT))


The Attempt at a Solution


Looking at the problem I figured that f(E) = 25%=0.25 and E-EF=7.00 - 6.95 = 0.05eV
solving for T and found that T=3.2979e21 K, but it doesn't seem to be the right answer, why?
 
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Hmmm... That seems a bit much. What Boltzmann constant are you using? And double check your work, because I get a different answer than you.
 
That could well be the right answer (not sure of the exact answer, but you will get a big number). Metals have very high fermi temperatures - you can look at it in the following way. Fermi energy levels cannot be multiply-occupied. If that metal was made of bosons, it would have a temperature of 10^21 K because of where the highest energy electrons are.
 
That is way too large of a temperature. Hah, that is hotter than 1 second after the big bang. Also, the temperature of the Fermi energy is not even close to that. A Fermi energy of 6.95 eV has a Fermi temperature of 80,654 K.

viviane363 must have made a mistake somewhere in the calculation. Because I used the exact same formula and I got a completely different answer. But I think she forgot about this thread.
 

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