A quick question about the Fermi-Dirac distribution

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The discussion revolves around the Fermi-Dirac distribution and its implications for the occupancy of energy levels by electrons, particularly focusing on the concept of degeneracy due to spin states. Participants explore how the mean number of electrons in a given energy level is affected by these factors.

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between degeneracy and the mean number of electrons, questioning whether the mean number should simply double due to spin states. There is also exploration of how many states are occupied at low temperatures and the implications of defining states in terms of energy versus unique single-particle states.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the definitions of states and the implications of degeneracy. Some have offered clarifications on the nature of single-particle states, while others are still seeking deeper understanding of these concepts.

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There is a mention of the Pauli exclusion principle and its relevance to the occupancy of states, as well as the need for clarity in definitions when discussing energy states and single-particle states.

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An electron has two spin states and a set of energy levels E1,E2,...
By the Fermi-dirac distrbution,the mean number of electrons in energy level Ek is
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi–Dirac_statistics#Distribution_of_particles_over_energy
Does it mean that,for an electron, the mean number is 2*F(E) ? But this sounds weird to me,because the mean number doubles just because of the degeneracy ? I am quite confused.

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If we take degeneracy into account,suppose there are N electrons(weakly-interacting).At some temperatures close to 0K,the N/2 states of lowest energy are occupied rather than N states?

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The probability for each state is given by the distribution. If you sum over two states (e. g. two spin states), the mean number of electrons will be twice that value, sure.
davon806 said:
If we take degeneracy into account,suppose there are N electrons(weakly-interacting).At some temperatures close to 0K,the N/2 states of lowest energy are occupied rather than N states?
The lowest N states are occupied, N/2 of them will be spin up, N/2 will be spin down (neglecting couplings between spin and anything else).
 
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mfb said:
The probability for each state is given by the distribution. If you sum over two states (e. g. two spin states), the mean number of electrons will be twice that value, sure.
The lowest N states are occupied, N/2 of them will be spin up, N/2 will be spin down (neglecting couplings between spin and anything else).
But for each state, can we accommodate 2 electrons? 1 with spin up and 1 with spin down,so that eventually the lowest N/2 states will be occupied?
 
davon806 said:
But for each state, can we accommodate 2 electrons? 1 with spin up and 1 with spin down,so that eventually the lowest N/2 states will be occupied?
It depends how you define the state. @mfb is using state to mean unique single-particle states, including spin (so there is no degeneracy factor appearing). You seem to mean state being an energy state, a state defined only by the its energy, which can be degenerate due to spin.

Both approaches are valid, but you have to be clear what you are considering.
 
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DrClaude said:
It depends how you define the state. @mfb is using state to mean unique single-particle states, including spin (so there is no degeneracy factor appearing). You seem to mean state being an energy state, a state defined only by the its energy, which can be degenerate due to spin.

Both approaches are valid, but you have to be clear what you are considering.

Could you explain what's meant by a single-particle state?This term comes up in my notes frequently but I have no idea what it is referring to?:nb)
 
davon806 said:
Could you explain what's meant by a single-particle state?
It is a state in which a single-particle can fit :wink:

Let me take an atom as an example. If you solve the (non-relativistic) Schrödinger equation for a hydrogenic atom (1 electron, charge of the nucleus ≥ 1), you will find a series of eigenstates, which can be characterized by the quantum numbers ##n,l,m## and ##m_s##. Each valid combination of these quantum numbers gives you one single-particle state.

The full state of an atom, while neglecting electron-electron interaction, would correspond to putting a series of electrons in these single-particle states, with at most one electron in each (Pauli exclusion principle).
 
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