What to say in the e-mail to the professors?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the appropriate content and approach for initial emails to professors when applying for PhD positions. Participants explore strategies for making a good impression, the importance of personal connection, and the norms surrounding communication in different countries.

Discussion Character

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  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests including specific references to the professor's work to demonstrate genuine interest and prior research.
  • Another participant emphasizes that brevity is important, advising against overly lengthy emails while ensuring all key points are covered.
  • Concerns are raised about the expectation of in-person meetings, with some participants questioning whether this is a common practice in the US compared to Germany.
  • There is a discussion about the appropriateness of asking for travel accommodations if a meeting is proposed, with differing views on what is considered polite or standard practice.
  • A participant shares their experience that personal meetings are typically expected before offering a PhD position, framing the role as akin to a job rather than an extension of education.
  • Another participant advises on the content of the email, suggesting a brief introduction and the inclusion of a CV, while cautioning against sounding generic or spam-like.
  • Concerns are expressed about the accuracy of information on university websites regarding open positions, leading to the suggestion of directly contacting professors for the most current information.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of agreement and differing opinions regarding the norms of communication and expectations for meetings. Some believe that personal meetings are essential, while others question this practice based on their experiences in different countries.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that cultural differences may influence expectations around communication and meetings, particularly between countries like Germany and the US. There is also uncertainty about the standard practices for travel accommodations and reimbursement in academic settings.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals preparing to apply for PhD positions, particularly those navigating communication with professors in different cultural contexts.

maNoFchangE
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I am planning to apply for a PhD position in the coming December and I think now is the right time to start contacting research group leaders in my desired universities. What I want to know is what you typically say in you first e-mail apart from telling him that you are interested in his group and asking for a vacant position? I would imagine if my e-mail contains only around those matters, it will look like too bold and too brief.
 
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Look up the papers, go through at least a couple. "I found ___ in your 20__ paper on ____ very interesting, especially since I've been working on ____ as an undergrad." Something like that. Show you put the work in.
 
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ModestyKing said:
Look up the papers, go through at least a couple. "I found ___ in your 20__ paper on ____ very interesting, especially since I've been working on ____ as an undergrad." Something like that. Show you put the work in.

That doesn't sound too brief as well? I just imagine that they know who is just looking for an acceptance as opposed to someone who is looking to really work with them.
 
You shouldn't write an entire essay. Brief is good as long as you say everything you want to say. He will likely propose to meet you anyway.
 
micromass said:
He will likely propose to meet you anyway.
Is this what typically happens in the US or in general in most western countries? I am living in Germany and I haven't heard anything about that before now. All of the groups which fall in my option are located in different cities, therefore meeting the professors (in case all or most of them offer me to) are rather costly.
 
maNoFchangE said:
Is this what typically happens in the US or in general in most western countries? I am living in Germany and I haven't heard anything about that before now. All of the groups which fall in my option are located in different cities, therefore meeting the professors (in case all or most of them offer me to) are rather costly.

That is standard what happens in my country (belgium, which is quite small). Personally, I don't think it's a good idea to start a PhD with somebody whom you have never talked to before. Maybe skyping is an option?
 
micromass said:
I don't think it's a good idea to start a PhD with somebody whom you have never talked to before.
That does really make sense. But in case skype is not preferred on his side, would it make me sound impolite if I ask for a possibility of travel accommodation to his place?
 
maNoFchangE said:
That does really make sense. But in case skype is not preferred on his side, would it make me sound impolite if I ask for a possibility of travel accommodation to his place?

I guess you should really try to find out what the standard is in Germany. I'm only talking in my limited experience from a small country. In your case, I would probably ask to skype first. If he refuses then perhaps try to say that you're interested in meeting him personally, but that it is pretty expensive. Maybe he will propose a good solution?
Then again, we have many German members here (with PhD), so they might be able to give some better advice.
 
maNoFchangE said:
Is this what typically happens in the US or in general in most western countries? I am living in Germany and I haven't heard anything about that before now. All of the groups which fall in my option are located in different cities, therefore meeting the professors (in case all or most of them offer me to) are rather costly.
A personal meeting with an applicant before offering a paid position for 3+ years is the norm. In fact, I have not heard of anyone ever having gotten any kind of well-paid office job without a previous meeting in any branch of employment (but then: I am a scientist, not a veteran human resources manager). To set the mind-set: Consider being a PhD student as a job as a junior scientist or a scientist trainee, not as an extension of school. A common form for getting to know each other is giving a talk in a seminar and then spending the remainder of the day with the group to get to know each other.

As for your original question: Say a few words about yourself. Really brief. Not "my hobbies are ... and I love movies directed by ..." or "I am fluent in French" but "I am currently working on my master's thesis on the topic of X at university Y, where I do Z". Try adding a few words why you are interested in working in the group or field, or at least a statement why you are writing to this exact person. It does not feel pleasant get receive mails from wannabe-applicants that sound like the exact mail was spammed to twenty other random people. Attach a CV. Do not write all the CV stuff in the text body - the attachment is only as extra information for people that actually do have an open position that for some reason is not announced on their web pages. Oh, and check if they have an open position announced on their web pages.
 
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maNoFchangE said:
That does really make sense. But in case skype is not preferred on his side, would it make me sound impolite if I ask for a possibility of travel accommodation to his place?
Didn't see that question earlier: The question is not impolite. It is very valid. The answer is likely going to be that travel expenses for job interviews are not paid for by the university (it was a rule at the university I applied to; not sure if it was a university-internal, state or federal rule). Off the official track, one may play tricks like meeting for a "scientific discussion", instead (or alternatively: officially inviting you for a seminar talk). Not sure if I would suggest bending rules in case the host does not come up with such solutions by himself (you probably are not the first applicant ever to come to the institute). But if it is a real issue for you, then by all means do so.

And to make the obvious clear: The above assumes a scenario where you were invited to a meeting, i.e. one or more steps beyond asking for open positions. Inquiring about reimbursement of travel expenses before even having been invited is impolite.
 
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Thanks for telling your experience Timo, that's quite useful for my future reference.
For the first step actually I only want to know which open positions they (again I haven't made a choice out of the several groups I'm interested in) are currently offering. I doubt the information in the website is up to date, I remember opening the same website about a year ago and the positions listed there do not seem to change as I view them again recently. That's why I think it's better to hear the real thing directly from the person in charge of the group. Only after sorting out the replies from the group heads can I pick one or a few of them to apply to. As for the first e-mail with the purpose described above, do I still better send my cv?
 

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