What would E field addition be if Gauss's law was different

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The discussion revolves around a hypothetical modification of Gauss's Law, specifically considering the implications of a divergence equation for the electric field that includes the square of charge. Participants explore how to calculate the resultant electric field from multiple point charges under this altered framework, questioning the mathematical and physical validity of the proposed formulation.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a modified Gauss's Law as div(E) = q²/ε₀ and questions how to calculate the resultant electric field from two point charges under this assumption.
  • Another participant challenges the dimensional correctness of the proposed formulation, noting discrepancies in units between the left and right sides of the equation.
  • Some participants argue that mathematics does not concern itself with units, while others emphasize the importance of physical interpretation in physics.
  • A later post introduces a different scenario involving a hypothetical particle that creates a vector field, prompting further inquiry into the resultant field from two such particles.
  • One participant suggests that if the divergence of the electric field were proportional to the square of charge, it might still allow for linear superposition, but this remains speculative.
  • There is confusion regarding the interpretation of earlier statements about force and the locations of masses, with participants seeking clarification on the implications of the provided expressions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of the proposed modification to Gauss's Law and its implications for calculating electric fields. There is no consensus on the correctness of the initial formulation or the subsequent interpretations of force and field interactions.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include unresolved questions about the dimensional analysis of the proposed law, the assumptions underlying the hypothetical scenarios, and the implications of non-linear interactions between charges/masses.

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What if Gauss' Law was
div(E)=q2/eps0

Then if we had two point charges, how could we calculate the resultant E field at an arbitrarily point? Obviously superposition would not work anymore, so how could it be done mathematically?

This is essentially a math question
 
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Did you stop to check if it was first dimensionally correct before proceeding? The units for the real gauss's law pertain to a physically interpretable / measurable quantity.
 
math doesn't care about units
 
I'm trying to understand your question but I don't quite follow? The right side seems to have units of charge squared divided by farads per meter, but the lefts units are completely different. What is this supposed to mean?
 
Curl said:
math doesn't care about units

Physics does.

You have received your answer: what you wrote does not have the correct units, so there is no answer to your question. It would be like asking "how long would it take a ball to fall 7 gallons"
 
I guess another way to ask this is to say if a particle of special type of matter had the property that it created a vector field given by
F=(c*m^2/r°r)*r/|r| where m is the mass of the particle,

then if I have two particles, each of mass m, one at the origin and one at x=1, then what would be the resultant field F at an arbitrary point r0 ?
 
I think you already answered your question regarding the force, since you explicitly stated it.

However, if I'm understanding you correctly, I think you might be getting at the concept of linearity and the superposition of fields. Is your question what the resulting field would be if it varied as the square of the sum of all the masses/charges in some way? If so, you likely could not use Gauss's law at all, since it's a sum which assumes that the total field can be produced by summing each up piece of field, which in turn assumes a sum over each charge/mass. If the field produced by each infinitesimal source cannot be added linearly to produce the net overall field (that is, it is not independent of the other charges/masses present), then this sum does not give you the total flux, and therefore cannot give you the total mass/charge. In other words, by summing the field, you are no longer summing the total charge/mass, since they are not linearly related.

To answer your original question, if the divergence of the electric field were proportional to the square of charge, then nothing would really change other than we'd probably treat the fundamental charge as its squared counterpart (and some units would need to be added or modified). It would still be linear in superposition, though.

(Note: This is intuitive reasoning. Correctness not guaranteed.)
 
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cwilkins said:
I think you already answered your question regarding the force, since you explicitly stated it.

I don't quite follow this part, how did I explicitly state it? I stated that the masses are at different locations.
 
Curl said:
I don't quite follow this part, how did I explicitly state it? I stated that the masses are at different locations.

You gave the expression for the force in your post. The values you gave could have been plugged into it.
 

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