What would happen if a spinning space station reached the speed of light?

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The discussion revolves around the implications of a spinning space station reaching relativistic speeds, specifically approaching the speed of light. It explores concepts related to angular momentum, relativistic physics, and the conservation laws applicable at high velocities.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a scenario where a spinning space station, with a length of one hundred kilometers, is accelerated to 75% the speed of light at its outermost point and then reeled in, questioning what would happen as it approaches the speed of light.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of relativistic angular momentum, suggesting that as the radial distance decreases, the momentum increases, but emphasizes that nothing can exceed the speed of light due to the relativistic momentum formula.
  • A subsequent post questions whether it is impossible to achieve a velocity greater than the speed of light and whether the conservation of angular momentum is limited to low velocities.
  • Another participant clarifies that angular momentum is conserved in special relativity but requires the use of the relativistic formula rather than the Newtonian one.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the conservation of angular momentum applies in relativistic contexts, but there is uncertainty regarding the implications of high velocities on the conservation laws and the behavior of the system as it approaches the speed of light.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the applicability of classical mechanics at relativistic speeds and the need for relativistic formulations, which may not be fully explored or agreed upon by all participants.

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After reading a chapter on the conservation of angular momentum, I have had a radical idea growing in my mind ever since I finished reading the material. To cut to the chase, the law states that the angular momentum of a rotating object will remain constant unless an outside torque acts on the object. Since angular momentum = I x w, an objects rotational speed will increase as the rotational inertia decreases - the same principal behind how an ice skater increases how fast she spins by pulling in her arms. Radically thinking, if a spinning space station consisting of simply a wire anchored on both ends and had a length a of one hundred kilometers, or so, were to be accelerated to 75% the speed of light at the outermost point, and then reeled in at a constant rate towards the axis of rotation; what would happen once the rotational velocity began to reach the speed of light? Since, the law of conservation of angluar momentum indirectly states that an object's rotational speed will increase as its rotational intertia decreases, one would suspect that, at only 75%c at the edge, as the object began to be reeled in closer and closer, it would theoretically exceed the speed of light. Since this is an impossibility, what would happen as it approached the speed of light? Any aid on this problem would be greatly appriciated!
 
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Relativistic angular momentum can be thought of as [itex]\vec{p} \times \vec{r}[/itex], or the 4-vector equivalent. Here [itex]\vec{p}[/itex] is the momentum, and [itex]\vec{r}[/itex] is the radial vector.

(There's also a representation as a bi-vector which is a bit more elegant if you happen to be familiar with clifford algebra. However, you can make do fine with the 3-vector or the 4-vector form for this problem. So just ignore this if you're not familiar with Clifford algebra).

So you can see immediately that if you halve r, you double the
momentum p, but nothing ever exceeds the speed of light, because the relativistic formula for the momentum p is
[tex] \vec{p} = \frac{m \vec{v}}{\sqrt{1-(|v|/c)^2}}[/tex]

and p goes to infinity as v->c.
 
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So, it would be impossible to bring the momentum up to a velocity greater than c, no matter how much the objects are "reeled" in? Does this also imply that the law of conservation of angular momentum only applies to objects of relatively low velocity (compared to 1c)?
 
Angular momentum is still conserved in special relativity, you just have to use the relativistic formula for angular momentum, not the Newtonian formula.

This basically involves using the correct relativistic formula for linear momentum, as I described earlier.

You might also want to check out http://panda.unm.edu/Courses/finley/P495/TermPapers/relangmom.pdf

though it may be a bit advanced.
 
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Ah, I see. Thanks!
 

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