What Would Happen in a Vacuum Chamber?

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This discussion focuses on the behavior of water and air in a vacuum chamber, specifically examining a sealed container of water and a balloon filled with air. It concludes that the water's temperature remains relatively constant in a vacuum, as water is incompressible and does not expand like air. The balloon will not expand in the water due to the incompressibility of water, and heat transfer in a vacuum occurs primarily through radiation, which is proportional to the fourth power of the absolute temperature difference. The conversation also highlights the importance of distinguishing between absolute and gauge pressure when measuring pressure changes.

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What would happen under these circumstances:

A sealed container of water in a vacuum chamber. Since water doesn't expand like air, I assume that there would be no extra pressure within the sealed container once the air was evacuated around it. Since there would be no, or very little air surrounding the container, and since heat requires a medium to dissipate, would the temperature of the water inside the container stay virtually constant or close to the temperature it was when placed into the vacuum chamber? If the vacuum chamber was placed in a sub-zero environment would the water still stay around its original temperature?

Also, while on the vacuum topic, since the air in a sealed balloon will expand and blow up large in a vacuum, what would happen if that sealed balloon with a small amount of air would be placed into the above example's sealed container of water in a vacuum chamber? Would there be no extra pressure inside the container and therefore the balloon will stay its same size?
 
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For your second question, since water is effectively incompressible, the balloon immersed in water won't expand. The pressure will change as you change the temperature, but the volume will stay the same.
 
Heat does NOT require a medium to dissipate. Heat transfer cooling by radiation alone occurs at a rate proportional to the fourth power of the difference in absolute temperature.

Be careful of how you are measuring your pressure, absolute or gauge. Water in an elastic container will still boil when the vapor pressure exceeds the applied pressure.

Water does have a bulk modulus of elasticity compressibility.
 
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Doug Huffman said:
Heat does NOT require a medium to dissipate. Heat transfer cooling by radiation alone occurs at a rate proportional to the fourth root of the difference in absolute temperature.

indeed ! :)

a lack of a medium only takes care of 2 of the 3 methods of heat transfer ( conduction and convection)
IR radiation doesn't require a medium

Dave
 
Doug Huffman said:
Heat transfer cooling by radiation alone occurs at a rate proportional to the fourth root of the difference in absolute temperature.
I think the rate is proportional to the difference in the fourth power of absolute temperature, not the fourth root.
##P = \sigma_{SB} \epsilon_1 \epsilon_2 (T_1^4-T_2^4)##
 
Khashishi said:
I think the rate is proportional to the difference in the fourth power of absolute temperature, not the fourth root.
You are of course correct.
 

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